Philips head bolts are really Japancese industrail standard

fullmetalscooter · 07-21-2011, 10:55 AM

After ranting about the Phillip head bolts else where I found out they aren't Philips head on any jap bike. JIS instead.
So here s the rant and the reply .

DAM PHILIP HEAD BOLTS AND THE MAN WHOM THOUGHT TO PUT THEM ON scooters and BIKE. May he live in interesting times. May he have crab, fleas and ravens visit him in the night Saying NEVER MORE. Here s hope his house was washed out to sea in the disaster in Japen or is the Radioactive Zone .
Anyway I had to take one off and it was more then a pain, there in the rant. 25 years on they don't come off a scooter even with the right tools and oils.Now back to real problems on the ch250 etc

The solution is set of Japanese Industrial Standard drivers for your
'Phillips' screws. They aren't actually Phillips screw heads on the Honda - they're JIS. To identify them for certain look for a *dot* between the cross pattern on the screw head. If it has a *dot* it is JIS which is a slightly different cut that a Phillips. You'll get better grip and torque using a JIS driver in a JIS screw! http://www.vesseltools.com/hand-tool...ypage.tpl.html
These guys have the JIS : http://www.vesseltools.com/hand-tool...ypage.tpl.html an imapct version of them and these are the reg:
THESE

I really don't know why it's no common knowledge that the screw bolts aren't Philips but a jap standard that isn't used outside of Japan much.

Toolpen · 07-21-2011, 11:07 AM

You're right about the JIS screws and screwdrivers.

I have a set of Snap-on screwdrivers in my toolbox and used them daily, until I purchased a set of JIS screwdrivers. Now I'm more likely to lend someone my Snap-On screwdrivers. They'll never get my JIS screwdrivers. I also use the JIS screwdrivers on all Phillips screws that I run into. The right tool does make a difference.

bwringer · 07-21-2011, 03:49 PM

McMaster-Carr sells a nice set of JIS screwdrivers cheep.

No idea if this link will work, but...
http://www.mcmaster.com/#jis-%28japa...rivers/=da0mnf

concours · 07-21-2011, 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fullmetalscooter

After ranting about the Phillip head bolts else where I found out they aren't Philips head on any jap bike. JIS instead.
So here s the rant and the reply .

DAM PHILIP HEAD BOLTS AND THE MAN WHOM THOUGHT TO PUT THEM ON scooters and BIKE. May he live in interesting times. May he have crab, fleas and ravens visit him in the night Saying NEVER MORE. Here s hope his house was washed out to sea in the disaster in Japen or is the Radioactive Zone .
Anyway I had to take one off and it was more then a pain, there in the rant. 25 years on they don't come off a scooter even with the right tools and oils.Now back to real problems on the ch250 etc

The solution is set of Japanese Industrial Standard drivers for your
'Phillips' screws. They aren't actually Phillips screw heads on the Honda - they're JIS. To identify them for certain look for a *dot* between the cross pattern on the screw head. If it has a *dot* it is JIS which is a slightly different cut that a Phillips. You'll get better grip and torque using a JIS driver in a JIS screw! http://www.vesseltools.com/hand-tool...ypage.tpl.html
These guys have the JIS : http://www.vesseltools.com/hand-tool...ypage.tpl.html an imapct version of them and these are the reg:
THESE

I really don't know why it's no common knowledge that the screw bolts aren't Philips but a jap standard that isn't used outside of Japan much.

The epiphany

Hammerspur · 07-22-2011, 04:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fullmetalscooter

...They aren't actually Phillips screw heads... - they're JIS. To identify them for certain look for a *dot* between the cross pattern on the screw head. ..

Some have additional dot markings too: http://www.instructables.com/id/When...rial-Standard/

I have some like these in my spares.

P B G · 07-22-2011, 05:47 AM

Lets not leave out Pozidriv, Frearson, and Reed and Prince.

All of which are... similar.

Inane Cathode · 07-22-2011, 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fullmetalscooter

After ranting about the Phillip head bolts else where I found out they aren't Philips head on any jap bike. JIS instead.
So here s the rant and the reply .

DAM PHILIP HEAD BOLTS AND THE MAN WHOM THOUGHT TO PUT THEM ON scooters and BIKE. May he live in interesting times. May he have crab, fleas and ravens visit him in the night Saying NEVER MORE. Here s hope his house was washed out to sea in the disaster in Japen or is the Radioactive Zone .
Anyway I had to take one off and it was more then a pain, there in the rant. 25 years on they don't come off a scooter even with the right tools and oils.Now back to real problems on the ch250 etc

The solution is set of Japanese Industrial Standard drivers for your
'Phillips' screws. They aren't actually Phillips screw heads on the Honda - they're JIS. To identify them for certain look for a *dot* between the cross pattern on the screw head. If it has a *dot* it is JIS which is a slightly different cut that a Phillips. You'll get better grip and torque using a JIS driver in a JIS screw! http://www.vesseltools.com/hand-tool...ypage.tpl.html
These guys have the JIS : http://www.vesseltools.com/hand-tool...ypage.tpl.html an imapct version of them and these are the reg:
THESE

I really don't know why it's no common knowledge that the screw bolts aren't Philips but a jap standard that isn't used outside of Japan much.

Sounds like someone who hasnt discovered the wonders of impact screw drivers.

fullmetalscooter · 07-23-2011, 12:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inane Cathode

Sounds like someone who hasnt discovered the wonders of impact screw drivers.

Gee I know I have one somewhere , It Just hasn't made an impact on my brain where it is!

Hammerspur · 07-23-2011, 05:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fullmetalscooter

Gee I know I have one somewhere , It Just hasn't made an impact on my brain where it is!

Not too good for some stubborn fasteners anyway... like on headlight shells, switch clusters and such.

Unstable Rider · 07-23-2011, 05:38 AM

+ X +

I have run into some Phillips and Jap-Jiz heads (which just sounds bad) on my bike, atv and snowmobile.
Some were of what seemed to be softish not really even bolt hard material, now known as the
jap-soft jiz heads. Fairing hardware, wind screen bolts, on a modern KLR are examples of what I call Jap-soft but not always a jiz head.

As I run into these pests, I sometimes run and out and find the metric replacement in stainless with an Allen head. Just looks smarter, and some screwing can be done better from a ball ended allen wrench,

which sounds as pornographic as a soft jiz head, I suppose.

I liked it best when everything was called a spanner.

Hammerspur · 07-23-2011, 06:40 AM

^^^

tucsondude · 07-25-2011, 11:57 PM

really need to order these...

http://www.ikaswebshop.com/hojisscset4d.html

been in my favorites for a year and a half

Kommando · 07-31-2011, 12:48 AM

Many a cordless drill with the clutch adjusted lightly work well as an impact driver.

Voidrider · 07-31-2011, 01:14 AM

I've read on several forums that the bits for typical drywall screws work very well with JIS screws, but, as I have the Hozan JIS set from Ikasawebshop already, I haven't checked it out for myself.

Skippii · 07-31-2011, 11:00 AM

It's easy to tell them apart. One is a "+", the other one is an "X" shape.

07-21-2011, 10:55 AM	#1
fullmetalscooter ^OP Let me take this duck off Joined: Apr 2009 Location: BC Oddometer: 2,018	Philips head bolts are really Japancese industrail standard After ranting about the Phillip head bolts else where I found out they aren't Philips head on any jap bike. JIS instead. So here s the rant and the reply . DAM PHILIP HEAD BOLTS AND THE MAN WHOM THOUGHT TO PUT THEM ON scooters and BIKE. May he live in interesting times. May he have crab, fleas and ravens visit him in the night Saying NEVER MORE. Here s hope his house was washed out to sea in the disaster in Japen or is the Radioactive Zone . Anyway I had to take one off and it was more then a pain, there in the rant. 25 years on they don't come off a scooter even with the right tools and oils.Now back to real problems on the ch250 etc The solution is set of Japanese Industrial Standard drivers for your 'Phillips' screws. They aren't actually Phillips screw heads on the Honda - they're JIS. To identify them for certain look for a dot between the cross pattern on the screw head. If it has a dot it is JIS which is a slightly different cut that a Phillips. You'll get better grip and torque using a JIS driver in a JIS screw! http://www.vesseltools.com/hand-tool...ypage.tpl.html These guys have the JIS : http://www.vesseltools.com/hand-tool...ypage.tpl.html an imapct version of them and these are the reg: THESE I really don't know why it's no common knowledge that the screw bolts aren't Philips but a jap standard that isn't used outside of Japan much. __________________ Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body,but rather to skid in sideways totally worn out shouting WHAT A RUSH, WHAT A RIDE. Got to go places to be, people to kill and far to many woman. fullmetalscooter screwed with this post 07-21-2011 at 11:56 AM

07-21-2011, 03:49 PM	#3
bwringer Gimpy, Yet Alacritous Joined: Jan 2008 Location: Indianapolis Oddometer: 1,720	McMaster-Carr sells a nice set of JIS screwdrivers cheep. No idea if this link will work, but... http://www.mcmaster.com/#jis-%28japa...rivers/=da0mnf __________________ 1983 Suzuki GS850G, Cosmic Blue 2002 Suzuki Vstrom DL1000, Midnight Blue 2005 Kawasaki KLR650 - Turd II, The ReTurdening "Do not crinkle your food wrappers loudly. Be considerate to others, or I will bite your torso and give you a disease."

07-23-2011, 05:38 AM	#10
Unstable Rider World Wide Inmate Joined: Jul 2010 Location: 10,000 Lakes Oddometer: 2,096	+ X + I have run into some Phillips and Jap-Jiz heads (which just sounds bad) on my bike, atv and snowmobile. Some were of what seemed to be softish not really even bolt hard material, now known as the jap-soft jiz heads. Fairing hardware, wind screen bolts, on a modern KLR are examples of what I call Jap-soft but not always a jiz head. As I run into these pests, I sometimes run and out and find the metric replacement in stainless with an Allen head. Just looks smarter, and *some screwing* can be done better from a ball ended allen wrench, which sounds as pornographic as a soft jiz head, I suppose. I liked it best when everything was called a spanner. __________________ ´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸ ><((((((º> `·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸ ><((((º> ´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸ ><((((((º> Everything happens for a reason. "Still seeking the reason" Unstable Rider screwed with this post 07-23-2011 at 05:44 AM

07-25-2011, 11:57 PM	#12
tucsondude Gnarly Adventurer Joined: May 2010 Location: tucson, az Oddometer: 254	really need to order these... http://www.ikaswebshop.com/hojisscset4d.html been in my favorites for a year and a half __________________ cbr600rr

07-31-2011, 11:00 AM	#15
Skippii Hookers, my lad. Joined: May 2008 Location: Richmond, Va Oddometer: 6,215	It's easy to tell them apart. One is a "+", the other one is an "X" shape. __________________ "I'm half afraid Skippii's bike might actually be a giant hamster ball that he somehow powers around. With ape hangers." -GailCallsMeKarl

07-21-2011, 11:07 AM	#2
Toolpen Adventurer Joined: Apr 2010 Oddometer: 85	You're right about the JIS screws and screwdrivers. I have a set of Snap-on screwdrivers in my toolbox and used them daily, until I purchased a set of JIS screwdrivers. Now I'm more likely to lend someone my Snap-On screwdrivers. They'll never get my JIS screwdrivers. I also use the JIS screwdrivers on all Phillips screws that I run into. The right tool does make a difference.

07-22-2011, 05:47 AM	#6
P B G Beastly Adventurer Joined: Mar 2008 Location: Greater Chicago Oddometer: 9,781	Lets not leave out Pozidriv, Frearson, and Reed and Prince. All of which are... similar.

07-23-2011, 06:40 AM	#11
Hammerspur Beastly Adventurer Joined: Nov 2006 Location: Cranston, RI Oddometer: 1,138	^^^

07-31-2011, 12:48 AM	#13
Kommando Grumpy Young Man Joined: Nov 2006 Location: Spacecoaster FL Oddometer: 3,743	Many a cordless drill with the clutch adjusted lightly work well as an impact driver.

07-31-2011, 01:14 AM	#14
Voidrider Studly Adventurer Joined: Apr 2005 Location: Between Here and There Oddometer: 895	I've read on several forums that the bits for typical drywall screws work very well with JIS screws, but, as I have the Hozan JIS set from Ikasawebshop already, I haven't checked it out for myself.

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