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Old 07-21-2011, 10:55 AM   #1
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Philips head bolts are really Japancese industrail standard

After ranting about the Phillip head bolts else where I found out they aren't Philips head on any jap bike. JIS instead.
So here s the rant and the reply .

DAM PHILIP HEAD BOLTS AND THE MAN WHOM THOUGHT TO PUT THEM ON scooters and BIKE. May he live in interesting times. May he have crab, fleas and ravens visit him in the night Saying NEVER MORE. Here s hope his house was washed out to sea in the disaster in Japen or is the Radioactive Zone .
Anyway I had to take one off and it was more then a pain, there in the rant. 25 years on they don't come off a scooter even with the right tools and oils.Now back to real problems on the ch250 etc

The solution is set of Japanese Industrial Standard drivers for your
'Phillips' screws. They aren't actually Phillips screw heads on the Honda - they're JIS. To identify them for certain look for a *dot* between the cross pattern on the screw head. If it has a *dot* it is JIS which is a slightly different cut that a Phillips. You'll get better grip and torque using a JIS driver in a JIS screw! http://www.vesseltools.com/hand-tool...ypage.tpl.html
These guys have the JIS : http://www.vesseltools.com/hand-tool...ypage.tpl.html an imapct version of them and these are the reg:
THESE

I really don't know why it's no common knowledge that the screw bolts aren't Philips but a jap standard that isn't used outside of Japan much.
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Old 07-21-2011, 11:07 AM   #2
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You're right about the JIS screws and screwdrivers.

I have a set of Snap-on screwdrivers in my toolbox and used them daily, until I purchased a set of JIS screwdrivers. Now I'm more likely to lend someone my Snap-On screwdrivers. They'll never get my JIS screwdrivers. I also use the JIS screwdrivers on all Phillips screws that I run into. The right tool does make a difference.
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Old 07-21-2011, 03:49 PM   #3
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McMaster-Carr sells a nice set of JIS screwdrivers cheep.

No idea if this link will work, but...
http://www.mcmaster.com/#jis-%28japa...rivers/=da0mnf
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Old 07-21-2011, 06:35 PM   #4
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After ranting about the Phillip head bolts else where I found out they aren't Philips head on any jap bike. JIS instead.
So here s the rant and the reply .

DAM PHILIP HEAD BOLTS AND THE MAN WHOM THOUGHT TO PUT THEM ON scooters and BIKE. May he live in interesting times. May he have crab, fleas and ravens visit him in the night Saying NEVER MORE. Here s hope his house was washed out to sea in the disaster in Japen or is the Radioactive Zone .
Anyway I had to take one off and it was more then a pain, there in the rant. 25 years on they don't come off a scooter even with the right tools and oils.Now back to real problems on the ch250 etc

The solution is set of Japanese Industrial Standard drivers for your
'Phillips' screws. They aren't actually Phillips screw heads on the Honda - they're JIS. To identify them for certain look for a *dot* between the cross pattern on the screw head. If it has a *dot* it is JIS which is a slightly different cut that a Phillips. You'll get better grip and torque using a JIS driver in a JIS screw! http://www.vesseltools.com/hand-tool...ypage.tpl.html
These guys have the JIS : http://www.vesseltools.com/hand-tool...ypage.tpl.html an imapct version of them and these are the reg:
THESE

I really don't know why it's no common knowledge that the screw bolts aren't Philips but a jap standard that isn't used outside of Japan much.
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Old 07-22-2011, 04:26 AM   #5
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...They aren't actually Phillips screw heads... - they're JIS. To identify them for certain look for a *dot* between the cross pattern on the screw head. ..
Some have additional dot markings too: http://www.instructables.com/id/When...rial-Standard/
I have some like these in my spares.
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Old 07-22-2011, 05:47 AM   #6
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Lets not leave out Pozidriv, Frearson, and Reed and Prince.

All of which are... similar.





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Old 07-22-2011, 11:38 AM   #7
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After ranting about the Phillip head bolts else where I found out they aren't Philips head on any jap bike. JIS instead.
So here s the rant and the reply .

DAM PHILIP HEAD BOLTS AND THE MAN WHOM THOUGHT TO PUT THEM ON scooters and BIKE. May he live in interesting times. May he have crab, fleas and ravens visit him in the night Saying NEVER MORE. Here s hope his house was washed out to sea in the disaster in Japen or is the Radioactive Zone .
Anyway I had to take one off and it was more then a pain, there in the rant. 25 years on they don't come off a scooter even with the right tools and oils.Now back to real problems on the ch250 etc

The solution is set of Japanese Industrial Standard drivers for your
'Phillips' screws. They aren't actually Phillips screw heads on the Honda - they're JIS. To identify them for certain look for a *dot* between the cross pattern on the screw head. If it has a *dot* it is JIS which is a slightly different cut that a Phillips. You'll get better grip and torque using a JIS driver in a JIS screw! http://www.vesseltools.com/hand-tool...ypage.tpl.html
These guys have the JIS : http://www.vesseltools.com/hand-tool...ypage.tpl.html an imapct version of them and these are the reg:
THESE

I really don't know why it's no common knowledge that the screw bolts aren't Philips but a jap standard that isn't used outside of Japan much.
Sounds like someone who hasnt discovered the wonders of impact screw drivers.
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Old 07-23-2011, 12:47 AM   #8
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Sounds like someone who hasnt discovered the wonders of impact screw drivers.
Gee I know I have one somewhere , It Just hasn't made an impact on my brain where it is!
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Old 07-23-2011, 05:07 AM   #9
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Gee I know I have one somewhere , It Just hasn't made an impact on my brain where it is!
Not too good for some stubborn fasteners anyway... like on headlight shells, switch clusters and such.
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Old 07-23-2011, 05:38 AM   #10
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+ X +

I have run into some Phillips and Jap-Jiz heads (which just sounds bad) on my bike, atv and snowmobile.
Some were of what seemed to be softish not really even bolt hard material, now known as the
jap-soft jiz heads. Fairing hardware, wind screen bolts, on a modern KLR are examples of what I call Jap-soft but not always a jiz head.

As I run into these pests, I sometimes run and out and find the metric replacement in stainless with an Allen head. Just looks smarter, and some screwing can be done better from a ball ended allen wrench,

which sounds as pornographic as a soft jiz head, I suppose.

I liked it best when everything was called a spanner.
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Old 07-23-2011, 06:40 AM   #11
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Old 07-25-2011, 11:57 PM   #12
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really need to order these...

http://www.ikaswebshop.com/hojisscset4d.html

been in my favorites for a year and a half
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Old 07-31-2011, 12:48 AM   #13
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Many a cordless drill with the clutch adjusted lightly work well as an impact driver.
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Old 07-31-2011, 01:14 AM   #14
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I've read on several forums that the bits for typical drywall screws work very well with JIS screws, but, as I have the Hozan JIS set from Ikasawebshop already, I haven't checked it out for myself.
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Old 07-31-2011, 11:00 AM   #15
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It's easy to tell them apart. One is a "+", the other one is an "X" shape.
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