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Old 08-24-2005, 05:53 AM   #46
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A grand on the set-up? Did you buy some tools too? I was thinking of giving it a go and doing mine (LC4-E) myself but decided to let Precision Concepts in Murrietta, CA do it for me. I droped them my bike and got it back a week later with a very wonderful set-up. This cost about $750 with them doing all the work. Changed the springs and worked the valves/shims. My seals were good. At 235 adn 6'3' the stock set-up wasn't too flash but new was great.

I know they do these things by mail too. I read about them having you buy a hard gun case (rifle) and shiping your suspension to them this way. I think of the $750 I spent $150 was for them R&R the suspension parts. Might be an option for some of you.

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i bought the seal driving tool and a nitrogen bottle with regulator for about 350 bucks, two springs were about 300 the two race tech kits were about 300. i think you did the right thing having some one else do it. like steve said i think the oil level is probably more important than any thing else. i just wanted to see whats inside. i finally got the bike to work well right before i sold it last month. bought an 05 250 exc and the suspension is perfect. i dont think i will need to change the springs but did crank up the rear sag about one turn.

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Old 09-05-2006, 10:12 AM   #47
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Left Fork Seal Blown!

On my morning commute, I went to grab my KTM 640 adv front brake and almost no stopping power, so excitedly I jam on rear brake and start to slide. The rear of the car in front of me was too close stop, so I point the bike into the oncoming lane and slide up next to the rear door. Fortunately, no oncoming traffic and I make it to work excited by fine.

So, I called the local KTM shop in Gresham, OR and they say they don't do re-valves, and recommended a local guy at House of Horse Power. In the mean time, I called KTM USA and they gave me three WP distributors in the West:

Factory Connection
Lindeman Engineering
Pro Valve

I'll be contacting them with my vitals - 225#, weekend to maybe week long luggage requirements, 19 out of 20 rides are day rides with minimal luggage. I commute to work on the KTM, so road worthiness is as important as dirt or off road worthiness. Don't need cross country capabilities, in that the 1150gs has that covered in spades.

So, any advice (or otherwise) is requested.

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Old 09-05-2006, 10:29 AM   #48
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Patrick,

Have you noticed creeper's thread on the Infinity subtanks? I say this because the tanks will allow your suspension shop to setup the bike for roadworthyness (and other high speed work) and with the flip of a switch, soften up the front end for lower speed trail work compliance.

I was thinking that when I can get to the suspension on my bike I would purchase the subtanks and take them along so that the shop can both incorporate the tanks into their considerations as well as install them while they are at it.
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Old 09-05-2006, 10:40 AM   #49
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Patrick,

Have you noticed creeper's thread on the Infinity subtanks? I say this because the tanks will allow your suspension shop to setup the bike for roadworthyness (and other high speed work) and with the flip of a switch, soften up the front end for lower speed trail work compliance.

I was thinking that when I can get to the suspension on my bike I would purchase the subtanks and take them along so that the shop can both incorporate the tanks into their considerations as well as install them while they are at it.
I always read Creeps posts, because it's him, you, Arch and others that led me to the promised land of KTMdom. Budget will determine if the fork tanks can be included. The more I ride the KTM, the less I want to ride the GS (except for long road rides). So, as the current favorite child, the KTM has me by the short hairs when it comes to upgrades. Something about making "anything" better than stock just gets my juices flowing.

Thanks for the heads up.
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Old 09-05-2006, 10:56 AM   #50
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I have a guy local who, he and I worked on our 03 EXC's together to dial in.
Yet, he has been away for a while and I talked to another friend who is a KTM dealer, who just returned form the dealer meeting.

He talked to some of the ralley guys (Scott Harden) about who sets up thier bikes (suspension) and the like.

precision concept

So I gave them a call.
for a full service:
1) revalving (Front & Rear)
2) Respringing (Front & Rear)
3) Plus oil, seals etc

One is looking at about $650.00 -- with a six month guarentee (they will re-shim/spring to your liking).
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Old 09-05-2006, 12:44 PM   #51
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House of Horse Power

Richard at House of Horse Power in Eugene, OR sounds like he knows spensions. Richard said that if the forks are set up correctly, that his clients can't tell the differance between sub-tanks and no sub-tanks. He did say that a GP racer might have need for them, and he would add them if I request it, but he says they won't have much effect on forks that he's tuned. Price is $275 for fronts with new springs, valves, bushings and seals and $275 for the rear with all the above.

Sounds good, even though I was looking for an official distributor, Richard sounds like great local (120 mile away) resource.

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Old 09-06-2006, 07:51 AM   #52
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Question Any Colorado Suppliers?

Does anyone have any hands-on (positive) experience with a Colorado Suspension Specialist?

I've heard about a guy in Carbondale, but no recommendations as of yet...

Thanks in advance!
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Old 09-06-2006, 08:25 AM   #53
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I had my front forks reworked by precision concepts. Went with a heavier spring and had the factory valves reworked by them. The difference is night and day IMHO.

Had it sprung for a 200lb rider, I weight 185. I have yet to do anything on the rear yet but the front it awsome. that has become the first thing I do on any bike I own.

I prefer a stiffer front end anyways.

Just my 02. I have the spec sheet at home as to what was done if anyone really wants to know, PM me.
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Old 09-06-2006, 10:19 AM   #54
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Nothing compairs to having you suspension set up by a specialist for you and what you ride. For dirt it is night and day. I won't ride a dirtbike that hasn't been For the road you can get away with almost anything. The stock valving on the adventure kind of blows. It is just a plain single stage stack on the forks and the shock. What that means is that is not very progressive in the travel. My shock just started leaking and I sent it to Javier at TrailTrick in CA. He is setting it up for all around stuff and should be a huge improvement. The forks will be next. I will have to give you guys a full ride report after this weekend.

Another thing overlooked on these bikes is the service on the boingers. Javier said my shock looked completely stock and the oil was like sludge. It was probably original.......16,000 miles. Anyway it scored the inside of the shock body and had to be honed out. So more $$$ in parts and labor. It is pretty cheap to get the oil changed and get a shock serviced and the forks are easy to do it on your own. If you ride offroad get it done once a year and it will save you money and make your bike ride awesome all the time.
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Old 09-06-2006, 10:54 AM   #55
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Another thing overlooked on these bikes is the service on the boingers. Javier said my shock looked completely stock and the oil was like sludge. It was probably original.......16,000 miles. Anyway it scored the inside of the shock body and had to be honed out. So more $$$ in parts and labor. It is pretty cheap to get the oil changed and get a shock serviced and the forks are easy to do it on your own. If you ride offroad get it done once a year and it will save you money and make your bike ride awesome all the time.
damage?

you and laramie need to share notes on his upcoming How-To - it would be an asset to the index.
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Old 09-06-2006, 04:18 PM   #56
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I have a guy local who, he and I worked on our 03 EXC's together to dial in.
Yet, he has been away for a while and I talked to another friend who is a KTM dealer, who just returned form the dealer meeting.

He talked to some of the ralley guys (Scott Harden) about who sets up thier bikes (suspension) and the like.

precision concept

So I gave them a call.
for a full service:
1) revalving (Front & Rear)
2) Respringing (Front & Rear)
3) Plus oil, seals etc

One is looking at about $650.00 -- with a six month guarentee (they will re-shim/spring to your liking).

Here's another vote for Precision Concepts! I rode my '02 LC4 with stock suspension for 3 years whist constantly bottoming the front. The back never bottomed 'cause I had the spring rate jacked up so high to handle my weight (225) that I had very little sag. So needless to say is was a bear to control while doing my favorite fast 2 tracks with an occasional 3-5' jump. Since I had never had a bike set-up for my riding style and weight in my life, I decided to treat myself with such. OH MY GOD, WHAT A DIFFERENCE! I can actually come into a corner hot and grab a bunch of front brake without going over the bars. We went to Colo. last month and found a rough 2 track that was about 5 miles long, with many of those cut-outs that prevent the road from washing out. You know the ones, they make perfect jumps and by the end of the week we were hitting these things at 45-50 mph and landing 16-18 feet on the other side. I could not believe how my suspension just sucked those baby's up and then rebounded enough to give me a super plush landing too. I'm ruined now, as long as I can afford it (almost $700 in my case) I'll never ride on stock suspension again.

I had .50's (Race Tech) up front and 8.1 (Ebaich) in the rear.

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Old 09-06-2006, 09:30 PM   #57
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After bending the crap out of my new excell rims, I am wishing that my suspension was done first. Now I am looking at another trip to Woodys, hopefully he can straighten them out.
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Old 09-07-2006, 08:00 AM   #58
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After bending the crap out of my new excell rims, I am wishing that my suspension was done first. Now I am looking at another trip to Woodys, hopefully he can straighten them out.
This would be great info for folks if you could flesh it out a bit: what where how when why do you think the suspension was he culprit? I am guessing because you bottomed out the suspension and the rims were the next most flexible part...
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Old 09-07-2006, 10:12 AM   #59
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I think it was the part where my suspension bottomed out, it sounded and felt like some one hitting the rim with a 5 lb sledge. Proper springs, valving and oil height would have prevented the now 10 or more dents on my new Excell rim in about two thousand miles.
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Old 09-21-2006, 06:54 PM   #60
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When I first bought my SXC I was loving the stock suspension, But now nearly two years later I want more. When I first got the bike I was doing trails and pavement only and most of the trails were double track. I did some adjusting on the clickers and was pretty happy. Then I started going to the motorcross track, which is a blast even on a 300lb. bike!!! As I got faster and more aggresive at the track I noticed that my trail riding style had changed dramaticly. I was now bottoming quite often and it felt as though the bike just didnt hold me up enough. I weigh 185 naked and I have the sag set to about 100mm. My manual says this bike comes set for a 165lb. rider. After talking to my KTM dealer I was told based on my sag being correct I probably need to revalve the fork and shock. I recently rode a stock 2006 450 EXC on some dirt trails and holy shit!!!!!!!!!!! This is what I want my suspesion to feel like!!!! I think the LC4 needs more progressive valving. I am currently looking in to ways to make the suspension on my SXC to feel more like a new EXC, but I may just be beating a dead horse! Hopefully revalving is everything its made up to be.


According to the manual I have 4,2 N/mm front springs and a 63/ 260 rear spring. I had to increase preload in the back to get correct Sag, but not much.



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