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Old 03-05-2013, 06:46 PM   #7606
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I'm not so much worried about spending the cash as I am in whether a full system will effect reliability. As in will the slight increase in power burn out components sooner? Thoughts on the reliability aspect?
The reliability of the gas tank and fender NOT melting should be just enough to convince you.
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Old 03-05-2013, 07:03 PM   #7607
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I'm not so much worried about spending the cash as I am in whether a full system will effect reliability. As in will the slight increase in power burn out components sooner? Thoughts on the reliability aspect?
I imagine NOT having a thermonuclear reactor bolted to your bike will be a lot less likely to burn out components and ADD to reliability.
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Old 03-05-2013, 09:05 PM   #7608
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I'm not so much worried about spending the cash as I am in whether a full system will effect reliability. As in will the slight increase in power burn out components sooner? Thoughts on the reliability aspect?
The increase in heat sure burns things out sooner. Look at it this way; Less weight on the rear end will make the rear tire last longer
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Old 03-05-2013, 09:08 PM   #7609
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The increase in heat sure burns things out sooner. Look at it this way; Less weight on the rear end will make the rear tire last longer
Right on thx for all the feed back guys! I imagine by putting on a slip on opposed to replacing the entire exhaust system (like I originally planned) the same rules apply for removing the SAS. Am I correct?
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Old 03-06-2013, 05:26 AM   #7610
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Right on thx for all the feed back guys! I imagine by putting on a slip on opposed to replacing the entire exhaust system (like I originally planned) the same rules apply for removing the SAS. Am I correct?
IMO, the only reason to remove the SAS is if you are putting on a Safari tank, or the RR tanks. Other than that, there isn't much sense in trying to out think a team of Austrian Engineers.
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Old 03-06-2013, 05:48 AM   #7611
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IMO, the only reason to remove the SAS is if you are putting on a Safari tank, or the RR tanks. Other than that, there isn't much sense in trying to out think a team of Austrian Engineers.
who installed the SAS and Charcoal canister to comply with USA emmissions. Both systems can come off the bike with minimal impact.
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Old 03-06-2013, 06:11 AM   #7612
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IMO, the only reason to remove the SAS is if you are putting on a Safari tank, or the RR tanks. Other than that, there isn't much sense in trying to out think a team of Austrian Engineers.
I am going to be installing the Evo 2 RR tanks and fairings (head lamp, etc.) so now I'm a bit confused. I thought folks were getting rid of the SAS system when they upgraded the exhaust due to catalytic converter no longer being an issue. This is the first I've heard of the RR tanks affecting the SAS system. What's the connection there?
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Old 03-06-2013, 06:21 AM   #7613
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I love my Wings exhaust; second be mod I've made, the first being the suspension done by Stillwell performance. I always felt the front on my 2010 690 was harsh and didn't feel planted. Alan Stillwell worked his magic adding 0.54/100 springs (front/rear). This allowed the rear to sit properly and bias more weight to the front. The valving allows the wheels to move much faster over the ground providing more traction without chatter (I can actually accelerate on washboard without the back end neither packing nor swapping). It's almost like cheating over the rocks, the boingers are super compliant, rarely deflect, and make it so I almost don't have to pick a line; just pin it and plow over the crap. On the slab all the small chop is eliminated and the bike ride is more comfortable on longer rides. A huge improvement overall and no question a must do for riders that think their 690 is a dirt bike.

On another note, I had to cut my ride short due to a coolant leak between the case and the cylinder just below the exhaust port. Anyone else see leaking there?
Hi Bigbugberg
I'm interesting with your suspension mod
I'm looking for daily comfort , on the road, and the track, but not in competition way, sometime with luggage (giant loop) not so heavy
But I can't go to see Mr Alan Stillwell with my bike ! (Paris)
Do you know where I can find these 0.54/100 springs (front/rear)?
another pieces to change or to mod? valving, oil ?
is there a special kit for 690, and at what price ?
Thank's for your answer !
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Old 03-06-2013, 06:30 AM   #7614
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IMO, the only reason to remove the SAS is if you are putting on a Safari tank, or the RR tanks. Other than that, there isn't much sense in trying to out think a team of Austrian Engineers.
The other reason is if you do much work on your bike. The damn canister makes simple things like getting the radiator guards unbolted a real PITA.
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Old 03-06-2013, 06:37 AM   #7615
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The other reason is if you do much work on your bike. The damn canister makes simple things like getting the radiator guards unbolted a real PITA.
Never could be bothered to remove mine... doesn't weigh fuck all either.
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Old 03-06-2013, 06:42 AM   #7616
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Hi Bigbugberg
I'm interesting with your suspension mod
I'm looking for daily comfort , on the road, and the track, but not in competition way, sometime with luggage (giant loop) not so heavy
But I can't go to see Mr Alan Stillwell with my bike ! (Paris)
Do you know where I can find these 0.54/100 springs (front/rear)?
another pieces to change or to mod? valving, oil ?
is there a special kit for 690, and at what price ?
Thank's for your answer !
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Old 03-06-2013, 07:06 AM   #7617
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I am going to be installing the Evo 2 RR tanks and fairings (head lamp, etc.) so now I'm a bit confused. I thought folks were getting rid of the SAS system when they upgraded the exhaust due to catalytic converter no longer being an issue. This is the first I've heard of the RR tanks affecting the SAS system. What's the connection there?

on the EVO 1 tanks the charcoal canister was in the way and had to be removed. The SAS valve wasn't an issue but becomes pointless if the stock Cat muffler is removed.

Install your EVO2 setup, remove the charcoal system and block off the old ports. I left the valve in place and left it hooked up but removed the hoses and have had no issue. I removed the fitting on the throttle body for the charcoal system and sealed it with a bolt.
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Old 03-06-2013, 07:30 AM   #7618
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Never could be bothered to remove mine... doesn't weigh fuck all either.
If I never worked on the bike I wouldn't bother taking it off either. Unfortunately, that's not the case for me. Taking it off permanently once, was much easier then taking it off and putting it back on every time I mess with the rad.
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Old 03-06-2013, 08:42 AM   #7619
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SAS removed and 2.2k ohm resistors put in place of the electro-valves, 1000s of miles later, still working as designed by me. Also crankcase vent system was altered to look like the RR system, works perfectly too and clearance to the RallyRaid EVO1 tanks is just fine. Granted, there is probably zero "performance" improvements by removing/altering these systems, it does make working on the engine easier and therefore worth it for me.

I also slotted the forward airbox mount tabs so I can remove the airbox without pulling the Rally tanks, which included cutting up a engineered design..... works better now with better engineering
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Old 03-06-2013, 08:59 AM   #7620
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I imagine NOT having a thermonuclear reactor bolted to your bike will be a lot less likely to burn out components and ADD to reliability.
Not really - Sherri Jo has plenty more km's on her 690 with a stock can. That said I have had both a Leo Vince and Akra on my 690's and couldn't be happier. Anybody want to buy some unused stock cans
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