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Old 07-05-2013, 11:41 PM   #9556
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A little help, please. I'm a bit worried because I pulled my rear linkage to install a Kouba link and now I can't get the swingarm "axle" pieces reinstalled. I have the Kouba link on it's forward mount and the rear spring/damper reconnected to the other end of Kouba link, but now I can't get the bolts on but one side of the swingarm. I tried maneuvering the rear swingarm/wheel complex to get them to both line up, but no luck. I put a fair amount of force on the two bolts (one on each side) but the one on the right does not want to go in. The Service Manual has nothing (that I have found yet) on pulling the swing arm apart so I can't really see what all the pieces of it look like inside the forward pivot of the swingarm nor how they fit together.

Lot's of people have installed Kouba links---what the heck have I done wrong? Wouldn't you know it, Kouba is on vacation!


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Disconnect the lower shock mount,then tighten all footrest hanger/swinging arm bolts.Then bolt up shock.
You also need to use a stand to take the weight off the s/arm.
Also,make sure the rebound adjuster is facing away from the rear brake cylinder,it is easier to get at from the left side.
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Old 07-06-2013, 12:53 AM   #9557
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We have developed,in conjunction with Tractive Suspension from Holland(all ex-WP tech team) 3 different types of rear shock for KTM 690 Enduro.

The Rallye Shock is a PDS(twin piston), top of the range shock,giving 300mm travel,to match the EXC fork conversion a lot of riders are doing.We have used these in a few rallies now,and the difference in performance is very noticeable.

The Adventure Shock is meant as a straight replacement for the stock shock,available in 3 lengths,250,275 & 300mm,to give maximum choice.It has high & low compression damping,and another unique feature is Tractive's own ride-height adjustment.This can give up to 28mm change in ride height,by means of a threaded lower shock mount,so no need for aftermarket linkages.

The Overland Shock is a rugged,easy to operate rear shock,designed for the Overland rider who may carry extra luggage or pillion passenger and needs to alter preload quickly.It comes as standard with a hydraulic preload adjuster so that with the turn of a remote handle,the spring preload can be altered by up to 10mm.Available in 250 &275mm lengths.Also available with ride height adjustment as standard.

These are all available ex-stock from this week,and we can supply them fitted with the correct spring weight to suit the rider,please inform us when ordering.


Rally-Raid Products Ltd are the UK Service Centre for Tractive Suspension,and can also offer a full rebuild and service facility for any of their products.All Tractive Suspension products have a full 2 year warranty.
If I was to put the 300mm adventure shock and modify the forks in my 2012 which standard both have 250mm(???) of travel, would that mean I would have an extra 50mm of ground clearance? which can then be slightly reduced or increased when using the 28mm of adjustment on the rear shock, on top of the height gained from the 300mm shock?

Alternatively, just like the popular kyouba links reduce ground clearance, would it be possible to make a link that is either longer or shorter (which ever one that is opposite to the reducing links)that would increase ground clearance?
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Old 07-06-2013, 05:37 AM   #9558
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If I was to put the 300mm adventure shock and modify the forks in my 2012 which standard both have 250mm(???) of travel, would that mean I would have an extra 50mm of ground clearance? which can then be slightly reduced or increased when using the 28mm of adjustment on the rear shock, on top of the height gained from the 300mm shock?

Alternatively, just like the popular kyouba links reduce ground clearance, would it be possible to make a link that is either longer or shorter (which ever one that is opposite to the reducing links)that would increase ground clearance?


No , it's a linkage system with 3-1 ratio you will get 16.6mm I believe
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Old 07-06-2013, 06:08 AM   #9559
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A 606 in the front and a K60 Heide on the rear. This is the combination that works for me here in LA and in the rocks of AR.

You may as well get that Heide ordered up 'cause that rear's gonna be toast faster than you can spit . Mine OEM rear was toast by 1,200 miles.

Like I said in a PM a few weeks back-this bike is going to make you smile everytime you whack the throttle.

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Do they still come with the Metzler 6 Days? I burned through mine in like 600 miles,
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Old 07-06-2013, 06:20 AM   #9560
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A 606 in the front and a K60 Heide on the rear. This is the combination that works for me here in LA and in the rocks of AR.

You may as well get that Heide ordered up 'cause that rear's gonna be toast faster than you can spit . Mine OEM rear was toast by 1,200 miles.

Like I said in a PM a few weeks back-this bike is going to make you smile everytime you whack the throttle.

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Rocks on the K60-- rocks like CO scree or rocks like Moab? I hadn't considered this rear tire until you just mentioned it. Tried running D606 and MT21 so far. Meh... they're both OK... can't complain.
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Old 07-06-2013, 09:21 AM   #9561
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Do they still come with the Metzler 6 Days?
OEM for the Enduro is the TKC-80, no?
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Old 07-06-2013, 11:09 AM   #9562
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Rocks on the K60-- rocks like CO scree or rocks like Moab? I hadn't considered this rear tire until you just mentioned it. Tried running D606 and MT21 so far. Meh... they're both OK... can't complain.
I used to run a slick on the rear of my mountain bike and a knob on the front when I used to go to Moab to ride the Slick Rock Trail when I was younger.

When I say rocks I mean reallly coarse sand---up to the size of baby heads and bowling balls. More dirt, scree, loose scree, packed scree, loose gravel, packed gravel in AR. I ran 908's on the 640A until I exhausted my secret stash for all of my riding. Riding in AR cut and chunked 908's on the 640-it didn't actually tear the knobs off, but they were prone to getting cut up more than my liking. After doing a few AR500's the knobs on the 908's were cut and chunked, while after the same AR500 this past spring the K60 on the 690 only had a few negligible cuts and no chunking or missing pieces of rubber knobs.

Like I said, the 606 on the front and K60 on the rear suits me fine on either bike for the riding and terrain I ride.

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Old 07-06-2013, 11:10 AM   #9563
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Do they still come with the Metzler 6 Days? I burned through mine in like 600 miles,
I seem to remember the new to me but used '12 690 had MT21's front and rear.

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Old 07-06-2013, 01:06 PM   #9564
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OEM for the Enduro is the TKC-80, no?
Mine came with the Metzler. I think the Euro 690's back then actually came with Trailwings!

I kinda like that Metzler, They worked great off road, but it was pretty slick on pavement but it was also real predictable and fun to slide around on. Probably why it didn't last long. They're like $100 so I never bothered to buy one. Not for only 600 miles of life.
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Old 07-06-2013, 01:33 PM   #9565
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Old 07-06-2013, 01:44 PM   #9566
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In the USA most new 690's I've seen came OEM with the old school MT21's.
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Old 07-06-2013, 01:57 PM   #9567
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Old 07-06-2013, 02:00 PM   #9568
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In the USA most new 690's I've seen came OEM with the old school MT21's.
Ya know, I think that's right, I think it was my 450 EXC that came with the Metz, and the 690 DID come with the MT-21's.
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Old 07-06-2013, 06:36 PM   #9569
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The good and bad....

Picked up the new 690 today. Stormed the entire way up there and back, over 3 hours each way.

Got her home and read the manual for a bit. Changed the bash plate to the Rally Raid. Started to install the radiator guards from Rally Raid but decided to wait since I had heard a few rumblings about them not lining up with the shrouds. May wait until I take the plunge for the EV02 tanks. Also received the upper and lower tank bolts and will make the change after I do the initial break in.
I decided to set the sag on the shock as the height was a bit high and it only had about two inches of sag from the dealer.
Took the weight off the rear wheel and started backing off the spanner nut using a piece of key stock. Got it about 3/16" up and was afraid the spanner nut wouldn't last much longer with the beating so it looks like I will have to remove the shock and adjust it outside of the bike. That sucks.
So I said screw it, I am going for a ride. I take off, from my tip toes no less, and went for a full tank of fuel and about a fifteen mile ride. I found that it tends to want to flame out if you chop the throttle while slowing to a stop. It tried to die a few times doing this and finally flamed out completely in my driveway. It was also hard to start afterward. No codes. Is this normal?
All in all I love the bike. I can tell it will get stronger and stronger over the next 1000 miles. It's has that new motor feel to it like it needs to seat in.

Oh, and mine had MT-21's.
So now I will need to order the service manual for removing the shock and I guess I need to go ahead and order the heavy duty replacement spanner nut.

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Old 07-06-2013, 07:04 PM   #9570
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If I was to put the 300mm adventure shock and modify the forks in my 2012 which standard both have 250mm(???) of travel, would that mean I would have an extra 50mm of ground clearance? which can then be slightly reduced or increased when using the 28mm of adjustment on the rear shock, on top of the height gained from the 300mm shock?

Alternatively, just like the popular kyouba links reduce ground clearance, would it be possible to make a link that is either longer or shorter (which ever one that is opposite to the reducing links)that would increase ground clearance?
If you change to Adventure or Rallye shock with 300mm travel,and increase the forks from 250mm to 300mm,this will give 50mm extra ground clearance,
It is not possible to get more wheel movement by changing the link length,but you can reduce it by either adjustment on our shocks,or a Kuoba link.
At present we run modified EXC forks with most of our Rally conversions,until we get the new,longer cartridge sets from Tractive.
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