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Old 07-11-2013, 02:22 PM   #9691
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Some non 690 news but possibly someone is interested...

At a KTM exhibition in Bandung, Indonesia last week they had the new 390 Duke. They said it'd be released in August and would have an Enduro September.

Back in Malaysia I thought the prices were interesting though I could only compare Dukes. Obviously these are massively expensive for US customers but think percentages:

The 125 is $6,000 USD
The 200 is $7,000 USD
The 390 will be $9,000 USD
The 690 is $20,000 USD

If that is any indicator the 390 enduro could be much cheaper than the 690 everywhere. Also the 200's have been quite reliable... much more than the 690. I'm thinking (hoping) they fall into a "new category" of motorcycles.
The 125/200/390 are built mostly for the Asian crowd where as the 690 for Westerners. Typically Asians have less money and are riding their bikes for necesity... can't afford a car! They put 10X as many miles on and if there were FI issues they couldn't get to work. (If the 200's had as many FI problems as the 690 Stefan Pierer would probably wake up one morning to a flash and a cry of "God is Great" in Arabic and we'd all be speculating what would happen to KTM, Husqvarna and Husaberg!)
Westerners usually have a car, possibly multiple bikes and of course demand higher performance out of their machines.

The "new category" I'm hoping the Bajaj KTM is creating is the reliability of Asian bikes with the excitement of Western bikes. The Duke 200 has been a bit of both.
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Old 07-11-2013, 02:24 PM   #9692
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Hey Ricky, good to hear from you. Thanks for the feedback.

Looks like I will be joining the 690 club shortly, accepted a deal!
You're welcome to take mine out for a comparison test. It's in a barn in monroe. I'll let my sister know if you're interested....
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Old 07-11-2013, 02:38 PM   #9693
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Is the '13 690 heavier? Did the XRL get lighter? Did Dirt Bike Magazine print a typo? Inquiring minds want to know!
One of the inmates took his 12 to an accurate
scale, and got these numbers, full of liquids

Total weight = 335 lbs
Weight on front wheel = 151 lbs
Weight on front wheel = 184 lbs

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...postcount=1598

13 should be identical numbers
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Old 07-11-2013, 02:48 PM   #9694
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One of the inmates took his 12 to an accurate
scale, and got these numbers, full of liquids

Total weight = 335 lbs
Weight on front wheel = 151 lbs
Weight on front wheel = 184 lbs

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...postcount=1598

13 should be identical numbers
That sounds about right to me, although higher than the official specs I think.
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Old 07-11-2013, 03:21 PM   #9695
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S (If the 200's had as many FI problems as the 690 Stefan Pierer would probably wake up one morning to a flash and a cry of "God is Great" in Arabic and we'd all be speculating what would happen to KTM, Husqvarna and Husaberg!)
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Old 07-11-2013, 03:30 PM   #9696
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You're welcome to take mine out for a comparison test. It's in a barn in monroe. I'll let my sister know if you're interested....
Something about this sentence seems wrong...
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Old 07-11-2013, 03:34 PM   #9697
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"To be honest, we wouldn't ride the 690 in whoops no matter how much suspension it had. It's a massibe bike. KTM says it weighs about the same as a Honda XR650L, but it feels much heavier...
My 2012 feels lighter than my 2001 XR650R ever did. And it was far lighter than the XL
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Old 07-11-2013, 03:55 PM   #9698
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Some non 690 news but possibly someone is interested...

At a KTM exhibition in Bandung, Indonesia last week they had the new 390 Duke. They said it'd be released in August and would have an Enduro September.

Back in Malaysia I thought the prices were interesting though I could only compare Dukes. Obviously these are massively expensive for US customers but think percentages:

The 125 is $6,000 USD
The 200 is $7,000 USD
The 390 will be $9,000 USD
The 690 is $20,000 USD

If that is any indicator the 390 enduro could be much cheaper than the 690 everywhere. Also the 200's have been quite reliable... much more than the 690. I'm thinking (hoping) they fall into a "new category" of motorcycles.
The 125/200/390 are built mostly for the Asian crowd where as the 690 for Westerners. Typically Asians have less money and are riding their bikes for necesity... can't afford a car! They put 10X as many miles on and if there were FI issues they couldn't get to work. (If the 200's had as many FI problems as the 690 Stefan Pierer would probably wake up one morning to a flash and a cry of "God is Great" in Arabic and we'd all be speculating what would happen to KTM, Husqvarna and Husaberg!)
Westerners usually have a car, possibly multiple bikes and of course demand higher performance out of their machines.

The "new category" I'm hoping the Bajaj KTM is creating is the reliability of Asian bikes with the excitement of Western bikes. The Duke 200 has been a bit of both.
If they can bring a 390 E in under 280 lbs I'd be all over it.
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Old 07-11-2013, 03:56 PM   #9699
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My 2012 feels lighter than my 2001 XR650R ever did. And it was far lighter than the XL
I was thinking the same thing, my XRR's felt way heavier then my 690 even though they were actually lighter. Mainly because the damn things were so top heavy.
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Old 07-11-2013, 04:30 PM   #9700
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I was thinking the same thing, my XRR's felt way heavier then my 690 even though they were actually lighter. Mainly because the damn things were so top heavy.
The 690 feels heavier to me than the 625 did ...

But I haven't weighed either ...

EDIT: but there are different ways of perceiving weight - the 690 carries itself well and sits really well on the road - it just feels heavy in the shed, or when it has a little nap on a hill ...
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Old 07-11-2013, 04:54 PM   #9701
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carrying one bag.

In front, or behind? Strangley in front seems to be better for my seating position. Shame about the total lack of fixing hooks / crannies anywhere?




Well, mate.....that depends....



Some like it up front ....while others find it more comfortable with it behind...
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Old 07-11-2013, 05:15 PM   #9702
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Well, mate.....that depends....



Some like it up front ....while others find it more comfortable with it behind...
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Old 07-11-2013, 05:29 PM   #9703
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If they can bring a 390 E in under 280 lbs I'd be all over it.
Well I'm suppossed to be working on writing up something important now... number of civilian casulties inflicted by the Burmese military in the Kachin province last month BUT I'd rather not think about that now and instead I'll try to tackle this question!

The latest specs I have from KTM's "Orange day poster" put the

690 enduro @ 138.5 KG and the
690 duke @ 149.5 KG

So according to KTM, the 690 enduro is 11 KG lighter than the 690 Duke.
The same sheet has the 390 Duke @ 139 KG & no specs on the 390 enduro.

If the 390 Enduro was 11 KG lighter than Duke that would make the "ready to race" weight 128 KG or 281 lbs by their specs. That's probably dry with no fluids and battery as that is what it would take to get our 690's to 138.5. (Incidently I'm pretty happy with a Shorai battery I picked up a few months ago - that and a lighter pipe could get you down to 280 with oil and some gas!)

That's close to WR250R/KLX250 weight but with a claimed 44 hp and what I'm hoping is that it'll be as reliable as those 2.
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Old 07-11-2013, 05:38 PM   #9704
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front fork installation.

My search engine skills are failing me. Picking my forks up tomorrow. On other bikes, I've snugged up the lower triple clamp bolts, then installed the wheel, then torque the lower triple clamp bolts, and finally the upper triple clamp bolts.

That work here?

Thanks.
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Old 07-11-2013, 06:40 PM   #9705
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My search engine skills are failing me. Picking my forks up tomorrow. On other bikes, I've snugged up the lower triple clamp bolts, then installed the wheel, then torque the lower triple clamp bolts, and finally the upper triple clamp bolts.

That work here?

Thanks.
I usually put the axle in before tightening the triple clamp bolts to insure that both sides are equal distant from the top. Then the procedure you describe works ok. Be sure to not over torque the lower triple clamp bolts (12 NM on my 08 690e). The top are 17NM. The torque values should be embossed on the triple clamps.
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