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Old 09-14-2011, 09:14 AM   #31
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cos all the riders in europe are slackers.

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Old 09-14-2011, 09:22 AM   #32
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KTM has not had top tier riders, that were in their prime, in the past. They have had top ten riders, like Short & Alessi, not top three.

Marvin Musquin and Ken Roczen, both world champions, are already signed with KTM for 2012. I think (hope) Dungey will announce, after MX des Nations, that he will be with KTM also.

With those three riders KTM just might come out swinging in 2012.
That! And I also think that the European's MX like they play hockey. They need to learn to play a little nastier if they want to win in the US. The fast, flowing, gentlemanly like nature does not work in SX or on American MX tracks. Where the style is all go or all stop....yes Flug I know it is the clutch. Not sure I got the picture the way I wanted it...but it is as close as I can come for an analogy.

Another illustration, Stefan Everts. Took names and burned their books in Europe. Brought here to run the US program, so to speak...seemed like a good idea, but it just didn't translate as expected.
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Old 09-14-2011, 09:52 AM   #33
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And I just love the way people invoke the name of Bayle as if it's still relevant.
based on his results I think his name will always be relevant. the guy pretty much took names and administered punishment.
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Old 09-14-2011, 09:59 AM   #34
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And I just love the way people invoke the name of Bayle as if it's still relevant. Suppose I could counter with McGrath.
as far as I'm concerned McGrath deserves a demerit for not going to europe when it was still relevant.
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as far as I'm concerned McGrath deserves a demerit for not going to europe when it was still relevant.
uh, and how about that outdoors thing?
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Old 09-14-2011, 10:10 AM   #36
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He won as many big bike outdoor titles as Dungey and Villopoto have while dominating the SX series for a decade. Why is that not good enough? He also won just as many outdoor titles as guys like Doug Henry and someone named... Bayle or somehting like that?
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He won as many big bike outdoor titles as Dungey and Villopoto have while dominating the SX series for a decade. Why is that not good enough?
Let's see where they stand at the end of their career's.

Never put the full effort into MX. One of the greatest SX riders ever, no one can take that away to be sure, but he is still just a bull rider, not a real cowboy. Thus a demerit.
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Old 09-14-2011, 10:32 AM   #38
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All right, this thread's already heating up and the gate doesn't drop for 4 months!
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Old 09-14-2011, 10:39 AM   #39
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Oh yes having a top three rider will make a big difference

bomb drop, you ready?




GP bikes are nothing like SX bikes.



How come no one has mentioned that yet?
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Old 09-14-2011, 11:12 AM   #40
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bomb drop, you ready? --- GP bikes are nothing like SX bikes.
How come no one has mentioned that yet?
I'll go get a beer now.
I don't recall anyone saying they were.

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We talking about supercross aren't we? MC won how many SX championships? How about RC? David Bailey? Grant Langston? Hell Stewart won more than JMB. JMB won one SX championship. One. And you've the nerve to call MC a one trick pony?
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Old 09-14-2011, 12:30 PM   #42
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Let's see where they stand at the end of their career's.

Never put the full effort into MX. One of the greatest SX riders ever, no one can take that away to be sure, but he is still just a bull rider, not a real cowboy. Thus a demerit.
I'd say you're right, he never did give an extended full effort. Having said that, I guarantee you that the year MC won his outdoor title or the year he took 2nd he gave his full effort.

Doug Henry and JMB DID give their full effort both indoors and outdoors for their entire careers. Each have the same amount of outdoor titles as MC. JMB has 1 indoor title, Henry has none. Do you give either of them demerits for not reaching their full potential?

MC didn't enjoy MX, and since he was so much better than anyone else he was able to demand a SX-only contract where he enjoyed the racing more and was WAY more successful. I still don't see how that takes away from his legacy.
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Old 09-14-2011, 12:38 PM   #43
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I still don't see how that takes away from his legacy.
Does not one bit, see above remark. He was probably the best ever at SX. Dominated.

We like 'em better like RJ though! (RC, Wardy, etc. you know those who always did it all.) Sometimes in multiple classes in a day (250 & 500).......in the outdoors!

Did not do MotoGP at all. (to get back to why JMB was really a stud)

Takes nothing away from his legacy, it just could have been even bigger if he wanted. He didn't. The outdoors is macho, SX is just dangerous entertainment(which I like a lot too). Just saying......
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Old 09-14-2011, 01:16 PM   #44
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Sometimes in multiple classes in a day (250 & 500).......in the outdoors!
That just made me stop and think. The heat and humidity of summer... FOUR 45 minute motos!!! And they did not have the machines, training techniques, supplements or air conditioning today's riders have.
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understood it just seems odd that since suzuki has stayed with MX and new bikes even when they had no other new bikes (2009?) that they'd let him walk. KTM sponsors all kinds of guys in rally, enduro, etc etc etc etc etc how can they possibly afford Dungey and Suzuki can't. wherever he ends up I hope he does well that kid is one solid citizen I swear he'd make a politician you could trust.
Suzuki seems to be on the ropes,Dungys bike let him down a couple times,the GNCC series had a huge 18 wheeler,with one(Josh Strang) bike under the awning.Rumor I heard was Reed to Suzuki,dont know where it came from.Time will tell.
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