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Old 09-29-2011, 06:02 AM   #91
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Dammit...now I'm hanging, I WANT TO SEE THE FESH FESH!!
fully agree, show us the way to handle the fesh fesh, tried it 2008 on a Moto Guzzi Quoata, that was !

So how did the 990 and your BMW/KTM mix deal with that special sand?

love it.
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Old 09-29-2011, 06:57 AM   #92
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Old 09-29-2011, 09:36 AM   #93
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Fesh fesh - mess mess

I have never driven through such a sand .... so I think that in certain situations only helicopter helps

I hope that the water helped ?
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Actually I dont think we have any fotos from the fesh fesh .... I think I took some video of Grom coming out of it.

The KTM and the BMW/KTM both did it just fine. Straight through. No stops, no problems, but Igor in the pure BMW did get stuck. (not sure if it was the smaller 17 inch rear wheel or a lack of throttle aggression that got him stuck)

Here is a video of a car going thru the fesh fesh during a Dakar race ... you get some idea how hard it is both to see and to drive thru it.



I will look thru my video and see if I can take any good video stills from our video.

I will borrow this foto from another forum, of a black KTM 950 (like Grom's) going thru the Fesh Fesh:

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Old 09-29-2011, 04:45 PM   #95
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12.09.11 Merzouga - Mhamid (Part 2)

The first 70 km part of the piste was populated with several oases - villages and we stopped twice for cold water, coca-cola and to let ourselves and the bikes cool down from the extreme heat. We had traveled across dry lake beds and rocky / sandy piste so far today ...



By the time we reached the edge of the Fesh Fesh just after the village of Ramlia, it was 40 degrees. We plunged in. It was not as bad as we had been led to believe (the horror stories that were told to us by the locals). Ten minutes later, Grom and I emerged on the other side with both engine fans roaring, but Igor was nowhere to be seen.

Here is Grom coming out of the 7km or so of fesh fesh - sorry no pics from the hard stuff in the middle. We didnt stop or get bogged in it, so no reason to get out the cameras:



I couldn’t go back to help look for Igor. I would be no help to pick up the bike anyway, and the tricky Fesh Fesh increased the risk of a fall, and a fall would increase the risk or more damage to my rib, and risk a punctured lung. So Grom went back alone into the fesh fesh to search for Igor. A further 10 minutes later, I heard the sounds of both bikes approaching and we were again underway.

Thirty minutes later, Grom pulled into an abandoned Auberge complex. He had a flat front tyre. It was now 43 C. We very slowly changed it and as we were about to begin again, the wind picked up, and a sandstorm blew in.



I got the impression that the auberge / kasbah hadnt been used since the Dakar was last run in Africa. When it is, and this piste is pretty much a compulsory one, they would get spectators and visitors, but without the Dakar being run, there are much fewer people doing this piste. We sheltered in the abandoned building for 15 minutes and returned outside where our jackets, helmets and boots were now full of sand. The wind was still blowing, but the blowing sand was less intense. We had a choice to wait for a bit longer to see if it died down, or to hit the road through the milder sandstorm. We chose to hit the road. Igor noticed his second fork seal was now leaking too. (He was the only rider without fork socks on his forks to protect against sand damaging the seals)

At the 160 km mark, we passed the last village, and pulled in for a cola and water fix. The water we all carried was great, but by now was pretty damn hot. Stopping for cold water and cola was a welcome change.

Here Roman and Igor shelter under a solitary tree on a long flat sandy section:



From here to Tagounite was 2.5 more hours of tough slog. Half across flat sandy desert where the only piste markers were the occasional piles of rocks, and sometimes across rocky mountains with sharp rocks on the trail and sheer drops off the edge of the piste.





The last 50 km to Tagounite had us all tired and exhausted. It had been a long tough day from Merzouga, a challenge both in the riding and in the navigating. After the 265km of piste, we reached Tagounite and the asphalt, refuelled, grabbed some cold drinks and then headed 25 km further, towards Mhamid, where we found a luxury hotel on the edge of more dunes, complete with swimming pool, air-conditioned rooms, and a bar.



It was a suitable ending to a tough day on the road.
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Old 09-29-2011, 04:58 PM   #96
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Old 09-30-2011, 01:19 AM   #97
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As i come from 'Land of thousand lakes' and lot of forest too i find these sand desert pictures and barren mountains allways soo fascinating that i just want to jump into my bike to ride.

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Old 09-30-2011, 01:50 AM   #98
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show us the way to handle the fesh fesh
Well from the short experience I had with it, pretty much the same as normal sand ... stand up, lean back, give it loads of throttle, dont stop or look around or back off the throttle until you are through it.

Oh, and dont follow someone elses line unless the wind is blowing hard to clear away all the dust. A dust free view ahead is pretty crucial!


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fesh fesh, tried it 2008 on a Moto Guzzi Quoata, that was !
Thats crazy ! ... and if you had metal boxes, its twice as difficult.
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Old 09-30-2011, 05:31 AM   #99
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Thats crazy ! ... and if you had metal boxes, its twice as difficult. [/QUOTE]

So true, thats why i actually ride a KTM 990.

Here is a picture of my Quota on a piste close by M'Hamid maroc.
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13.09.11 Mhamid – Foam Zguid (Part 1)

The day began with Igor pouring 10w hydraulic fluid that we found at the local service station into his completely empty forks. The left fork (most recent to leak) went first. While he was still pouring, it was dripping out the bottom and over his brake discs and rims. Then the right fork ... it didnt drip off the bottom of his fork, it flowed! No drip gaps in the flow - Thats how bad the leakage was.

This sight made Igor rethink his participation in our Moroccan off road experience. We went into Mhamid for some breakfast while we pondered Igors unfortunate dilemma. A few phone calls were made, primarily to Peter at Biker’s Home in Ouarzazate, to check if there was any chance of finding new fork seals in Morocco, but Igor’s options were slim. Peter had 43mm, 46mm and 47mm fork seals, but no 45mm fork seals. He gave us a few more leads to follow up on, but none of them worked out. By lunchtime Igor had made up his mind to abort the remainder of the trip and return to Europe. Effective immediately.

We were down to 2.

At 12:30 Grom and I left the luxurious surroundings of the Chez le Pacha hotel and stopped 5km down the road at Mhamid, the last town on the Draa valley road. A French guy, with wife, 2 up on a GS waved us down and asked where we were headed. “The piste to Foam Zguid” I replied. “Oh I think it’s very difficult on a moto” he replied. “It’s one of the hardest pistes in Morocco.” I thought I better not translate that to Grom. It will only make him more stubborn. As for me, I decided to keep an open mind. If it turns out to be really tough, then with my rib as it is, I would like to keep open all options.

We bought 5 litres of water each at a small shop in Mhamid and were again asked where we were headed. The local shook his head and said it would be ‘tres difficile’ … and very dangerous if we do not have excellent GPS and maps. Fortunately Grom had prepared his maps and GPS well. I didn’t have time before the trip to get the GPS mounted and connected, so was travelling without a GPS. I was relying on Grom’s navigation.

In the searing midday heat, we crossed the sandy river bed at the edge of the village and headed into the desert. Almost immediately on leaving Mhamid, the piste was dunes. Small dunes, 2-3-5 metres high, but seemingly endless, and unlike the big dunes at Merzouga, these smaller ones were full of trees, shrubs, rocks. So maintaining a reasonably tight directional control was critical. It meant we could never get too much speed up, and had to sit balancing the need to keep tight directional control against having enough speed and drive from the rear wheel to keep the front wheel floating above the sand rather than falling into it. It was a tricky balance.

I suspected we had gone the wrong way, too far to the south, but I had no maps of my own to confirm my theory. We took a break after just 5 km. Our engines were overheating. Now I told Grom what the French guy had said. He actually seemed to believe it … and said “ok let’s do 10 more km and make a decision then.” We wove our way thru the dunes in 2nd gear and full throttle for a further 20 minutes, and as we were approaching our decision point, the dunes eased off and became more of a flatter baked track with a few inches of sand covering them. We stopped under the shade of a tree and made a decision to press on. Conditions were improving. The last 2-3 minutes of travel were definitely easier than the previous 25 minutes.

We were now following the Oued Draa, the dry riverbed of the Draa River, which "flowed" 1000 km further through the deserts before emerging (sometimes) at the Atlantic Ocean. By some maps the bed of the Draa forms the border with Algeria. The Morocco - Algeria border is not fixed for most of its length. As we crossed the river bed a few times, Roman's maps had us zigzagging between Morocco and Algeria. A passing camel train is heading for a well in the Draa riverbed just out of shot:



By 2 pm we had done 65 km and stopped at a well by the piste, surrounded by palm trees. This corresponded with our map as a place called the Sacred Oasis. We took water from the well and poured it over ourselves to cool down.





Then hit the piste for a further 2km when we crested a small hill and saw another small Oasis with (to our shock and surprise) a pair of 4WDs parked there. Under the shade of a Bedouin tent were some westerners, most of whom looked shocked to see us. One of them looked happy to see us. She was an Italian girl who also had stayed at our hotel near Mhamid last night. She smiled and asked if we recognised her. The Bedouin bought us a coca cola each as we chatted to the Italian girl. I asked how they got here and where were they going. It was a day trip from the hotel … a several hour drive through one of the most remote desert regions on Morocco, through the isolated wilderness to visit the Sacred Oasis. No wonder they had looked so surprised to see a couple of bikes pull up out of the blue. They were all headed back to Chez le Pacha hotel tonight. I explained we had to push on to Foam Zguid, paid the Bedouin for the cokes, threw a bucket of water over each of us, and saddled up. The Bedouin told us the path ahead is very very sandy and recommended we take a slightly northern route, that branches off at the Sacred Oasis. Grom checked his maps. We had that track on our maps. It was a detour around the Grand Erg dunes that rejoined our planned track in about 25 km. We took his advice and rode off.

Sure enough the track that branched slightly to the north from the Sacred Oasis was not sandy, but it was as rocky and as bumpy as anything I have ever ridden.





We pulled in by a lone tree to increase tyre pressures. The tree gave us the tiniest shelter from the sun and sandstorms, but to us it was a huge little piece of relief.

No only were we trying to protect the rims via the pressure, neither of us fancied the idea of changing a flat tyre in 43 degree heat. And we were running low on spare tubes. Vulcanising tube patches have very low reliability in such extreme temperatures, so we really needed to use new tubes if we got a puncture – and we had just one more of each size left between the two of us. We increased pressures from 1.2 to 1.6 bar just to be safe.

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Old 09-30-2011, 01:09 PM   #101
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The Mamhid Foum Zguid tracks, I think the most awefull track I never done, stones stones.....

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Cole, where and how do you find these tracks? I love them! I want a 100,000 mile long track like this......all the way around the world......North, South and East, West!!! Love your RR's!!
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Old 10-01-2011, 12:41 AM   #103
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Mhamid – Foam Zguid

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following your thread bring back memories. many thanks!
I got stuck in the sand with the quota 2 up, so i decided not to go on and returned to Mhamid.
Obviously the right decision.
Must finish that track in the future with more capable material in the future.
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Old 10-01-2011, 01:05 AM   #104
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following your thread bring back memories. many thanks!
I got stuck in the sand with the quota 2 up, so i decided not to go on and returned to Mhamid.
Obviously the right decision.
Must finish that track in the future with more capable material in the future.
are these the 2-3-5 metre dunes that I found going on for the first 10-15km from Mhamid?

It looks like them.
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Cole, where and how do you find these tracks? I love them! I want a 100,000 mile long track like this......all the way around the world......North, South and East, West!!! Love your RR's!!
Cool tracks make the world go round :)

I didnt find these ones. Roman did. I was just following.
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