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Old 05-28-2013, 03:25 PM   #4426
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Northwest, I'm seein the "Trackside" brand of hand guard and wonder, will they be adaptable to a DCT? In particular, the extension that seems to mount well below the normal guard location; does this mount in an area that is pretty unencumbered? Twisted Throttle says that none of their units can be used with a DCT, probably b/c of the extra shift gear on the rider's left handlebar. Besides the seat sucking, my hands get cold! The Honda heated grips work really well, BTW, glad I bought them. Still need wind, rain, shrub protection, though. Thanks.
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Old 05-28-2013, 03:26 PM   #4427
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The honda has 17" wheels front and rear. It's a street bike. Much like the Versys. Neither are contenders to the DL. Different target customer base.
I can take my X anywhere I took my Vstrom,and probably more due to the low CG..


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Old 05-28-2013, 03:39 PM   #4428
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Old 05-28-2013, 04:51 PM   #4429
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Northwest, thanks v much, that is exactly what I hoped to see. Pic 2 explains everything and these should work on my bike. On order now, I'll post up for other DCT riders once they arrive. Thanks!
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Old 05-28-2013, 04:56 PM   #4430
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Ok, another question, if you don't mind. For those of you who chose between the NC700X and the DL650, which one did you choose, and why?

thanks again
It's the automatic! I buggered up my left leg skiing and this is the first bike I can ride. I like it, and that's coming from a BMW Adventure.
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Old 05-28-2013, 05:06 PM   #4431
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The honda has 17" wheels front and rear. It's a street bike. Much like the Versys. Neither are contenders to the DL. Different target customer base.
Like a 19" wheel and 465 lbs makes a dirt bike. None of the middleweight "adventure" bikes are for real off road use. Any street bike can be used on hard pack dirt or gravel.
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Old 05-28-2013, 05:11 PM   #4432
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Northwest, I'm seein the "Trackside" brand of hand guard and wonder, will they be adaptable to a DCT? In particular, the extension that seems to mount well below the normal guard location; does this mount in an area that is pretty unencumbered? Twisted Throttle says that none of their units can be used with a DCT, probably b/c of the extra shift gear on the rider's left handlebar. Besides the seat sucking, my hands get cold! The Honda heated grips work really well, BTW, glad I bought them. Still need wind, rain, shrub protection, though. Thanks.
Cycra CRM Probend guards are serious protection and they fit with the spacer kit.
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Old 05-28-2013, 05:30 PM   #4433
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Like a 19" wheel and 465 lbs makes a dirt bike. None of the middleweight "adventure" bikes are for real off road use. Any street bike can be used on hard pack dirt or gravel.
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Old 05-28-2013, 05:58 PM   #4434
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Ok, another question, if you don't mind. For those of you who chose between the NC700X and the DL650, which one did you choose, and why?

thanks again
The Honda is plowing a different furrow than the DL and to me the DL was not really a competitor. Despite the 2012 freshening the DL is old, like everything else on the Suzuki sales floor, and has never appealed to me. The NC is new thinking & represented a fresh approach to my next 100k motorcycle. It is easy to buy, easy to maintain, cheap to run and has Honda build quality that lasts. It has sufficient power for the use I put it too and returns fantastic mileage. I know that doesn't answer your question as posed but I'll just say that 7 years went by without any bike convincing me to buy it but when I first saw the early posts and pics from UK riders a year ago I went and put a deposit on an NC and waited.

To answer your other questions....performance data from published articles with my own commentary:

....... the NC700X has plenty of power for safely passing multiple cars on winding mountain roads and running supra legal speeds on the interstate. It pulls to 100 easily when you want or need to. The power band is flat and linear and cuts off at 6500. At first it might take a little getting used to the need to shift early compared to more revvy bikes that make their power higher in the rev range but the transmission ratios through 5th gear are well suited for the wide flat power band. I think you had a V4 ST1100 at one time and the NC has a similar flat, linear powerband that lends itself to short shifting and riding torque. You don't need to wind it up as it makes its power down low.

It does 60 in less than 5 seconds, makes about 95 mph in a 13.9 second quarter mile, 0 to 100 mph in 17 seconds. If you want to compare it to other 650 class motorcycles it's only about 1 second and a few mph slower than a WeeStrom 650 or Versys in the quarter mile (six speed transmission model, the DCT is a little slower in these comparisions). Yes, it's slower than the others in a drag race but who buys a 650 for it's power? It handles better than the DL but not as good as the Versys and brakes better than both of them. I routinely get 220 miles on the small 3.7 gallon tank and usually put 3.0 gallons or less at fill up and that is not riding for mileage, its running a good pace, winding up, 10-20 over the limit sport riding. Try for mileage and you can achieve near or above 80 mpg. I did a SaddleSore 1000 last October and got right about 60 mpg running 70 to 80 mph, higher at times, for 1054 miles. I like the stock seat BTW.

For those afraid to ride a "low powered" bike like the NC in traffic or on a interstate there aren't many average cars that offer its kind of performance between 30 and 90 mph. According to a period test of my car, an Acura TL, the TL does 0-60 in 5.9 seconds, 0 to 100 in 15 seconds, 1/4 mile about 15 seconds 97 mph.

Passing: 40 to 60 mph 6.9 seconds, 60 to 80 in 8.9 seconds on the NC700X.
" " : 30 to 50 mph 11.2 seconds, 50 to 70 in 11.1 seconds in the Acura TL.
" " : 30 to 50 mph 10.1 seconds, 50 to 70 in 9.3 seconds in a BMW 330i .
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Old 05-28-2013, 06:35 PM   #4435
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I'm still "bonding" with mine at 350 miles. So far I'm not bored, we found some beautiful country roads this past weekend and the bike was light, tossable, tons of torque, really nice. Is it a BMW 1150 Adventure? No, but then that isn't its mission, IMO. I'm liking it, and at the price it can't be beat. One caveat: The seat sucks sooooo badly I can't really stand it more than 20 mins at a clip. Red lights and stop signs are a blessing. While waiting for my seat rebuild kit (offered on the NC700X site as a group buy) I put on an Alaska sheepskin. It helped. A little. I'm now up to 21 minutes at a clip.
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I'm at about the same mileage. I'm enjoying it quite a bit. Of course, I've never understood how anyone can say anything on two wheels is boring. But, I absolutely love riding (any) bikes, so that's me. Also, the seat does, in fact, suck. I swear someone at Honda is a masochist, laughing at our collective posterior anguish.
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Old 05-28-2013, 06:40 PM   #4436
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It was designed by a "Stylist" who has probably never ridden a motorcycle and was tested by skinny little Japanese and Italian test riders who do thousand mile days day in and day out, and so have butts with no nerve endings left.
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Old 05-28-2013, 06:49 PM   #4437
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The Honda is plowing a different furrow than the DL and to me the DL was not really a competitor. Despite the 2012 freshening the DL is old, like everything else on the Suzuki sales floor, and has never appealed to me. The NC is new thinking & represented a fresh approach to my next 100k motorcycle. It is easy to buy, easy to maintain, cheap to run and has Honda build quality that lasts. It has sufficient power for the use I put it too and returns fantastic mileage. I know that doesn't answer your question as posed but I'll just say that 7 years went by without any bike convincing me to buy it but when I first saw the early posts and pics from UK riders a year ago I went and put a deposit on an NC and waited.

To answer your other questions....performance data from published articles with my own commentary:

....... the NC700X has plenty of power for safely passing multiple cars on winding mountain roads and running supra legal speeds on the interstate. It pulls to 100 easily when you want or need to. The power band is flat and linear and cuts off at 6500. At first it might take a little getting used to the need to shift early compared to more revvy bikes that make their power higher in the rev range but the transmission ratios through 5th gear are well suited for the wide flat power band. I think you had a V4 ST1100 at one time and the NC has a similar flat, linear powerband that lends itself to short shifting and riding torque. You don't need to wind it up as it makes its power down low.

It does 60 in less than 5 seconds, makes about 95 mph in a 13.9 second quarter mile, 0 to 100 mph in 17 seconds. If you want to compare it to other 650 class motorcycles it's only about 1 second and a few mph slower than a WeeStrom 650 or Versys in the quarter mile (six speed transmission model, the DCT is a little slower in these comparisions). Yes, it's slower than the others in a drag race but who buys a 650 for it's power? It handles better than the DL but not as good as the Versys and brakes better than both of them. I routinely get 220 miles on the small 3.7 gallon tank and usually put 3.0 gallons or less at fill up and that is not riding for mileage, its running a good pace, winding up, 10-20 over the limit sport riding. Try for mileage and you can achieve near or above 80 mpg. I did a SaddleSore 1000 last October and got right about 60 mpg running 70 to 80 mph, higher at times, for 1054 miles. I like the stock seat BTW.

For those afraid to ride a "low powered" bike like the NC in traffic or on a interstate there aren't many average cars that offer its kind of performance between 30 and 90 mph. According to a period test of my car, an Acura TL, the TL does 0-60 in 5.9 seconds, 0 to 100 in 15 seconds, 1/4 mile about 15 seconds 97 mph.

Passing: 40 to 60 mph 6.9 seconds, 60 to 80 in 8.9 seconds on the NC700X.
" " : 30 to 50 mph 11.2 seconds, 50 to 70 in 11.1 seconds in the Acura TL.
" " : 30 to 50 mph 10.1 seconds, 50 to 70 in 9.3 seconds in a BMW 330i .

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Old 05-29-2013, 03:14 AM   #4438
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this is probably 205, and if it is I apologize - but I want to know how the NC700X performs in 0-60 mode. I seem to remember reading somewhere that it was taking over 5 seconds. I don't know if that was a manual version or the dct version in D mode.
It's been covered 1 or 2 pages before your post last time, there's many
talk about 5 seconds to 60 which I seriously doubt, since that's how much
it takes a bike with the same power and 100lbs less (Pegaso Strada).

A local magazine had GPS on the Integra version of the NC700 and got
6.X seconds in DCT sport mode, and 7.x in D mode.
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It's been covered 1 or 2 pages before your post last time, there's many
talk about 5 seconds to 60 which I seriously doubt, since that's how much
it takes a bike with the same power and 100lbs less (Pegaso Strada).

A local magazine had GPS on the Integra version of the NC700 and got
6.X seconds in DCT sport mode, and 7.x in D mode.
Acceleration, roll-ons, 1/4 mile data published in Cycle World NC700X test, Cycle World 650 comparison test.

Raw comparision based on hp and weight does not account for primary and gearbox ratio gearing differences, power delivery characteristics, etc.
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Old 05-29-2013, 05:27 AM   #4440
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Raw comparision based on hp and weight does not account for primary and gearbox ratio gearing differences, power delivery characteristics, etc.
Something that riders of old Japanese bikes would understand.

You can have a bike with 100HP and bugger all torque until the last 3K, OR a bike that is producing good acceleration from almost idle to 6K and misses out on the last 3K.

It's one reason that big American Iron used to haul faster than you would think against ricers, to use the slang of the eighties. or nineties .
The ricers were waiting around for 10 seconds for the turbos to cut in, but when they did they almost caught up. They made big horsepower though ....after a while.

Same with the old Japanese fours. Lots of cog swapping was required until Suzuki came along and fixed that.
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