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Old 07-03-2013, 06:41 AM   #4591
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I'm wondering how much power they expect to get out of a 50cc increase? Why not make it closer to 800 and really make something different.


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Old 07-03-2013, 09:17 AM   #4592
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increasing the capacity shouldn't make the bike heavier it'll weigh the same and the power will probably be in the midrange when you want good torque the motor has torque but that bit more will make it easier to live with sitting at lower revs which a bigger engine gives.
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Old 07-03-2013, 09:22 AM   #4593
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increasing the capacity shouldn't make the bike heavier it'll weigh the same and the power will probably be in the midrange when you want good torque the motor has torque but that bit more will make it easier to live with sitting at lower revs which a bigger engine gives.
That's already the bike's strongest point, a very FAT midrange.

I'd rather if they used the 50cc and 500 revs more to give us a slight
punch up to, it's got plenty of go for a 670cc bike as it is down low, it
absolutely demolishes my FZ6 with roll-on torque.
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Old 07-03-2013, 12:32 PM   #4594
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you'll notice the difference with any small increase in torque or power, when I unrestricted my supermoto of its emissions rubbish the difference was phenomenal might of only been 1-3 bhp difference but it made everything that more easier, a increase in capacity is normally for driveability not more revs short stroke engines rev hard where as the NC700 will naturally have a long stroke in its power delivery, for my current bike that revs to 14.5K adding 40cc to the capacity drops 1K in revs.
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Old 07-03-2013, 01:05 PM   #4595
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you'll notice the difference with any small increase in torque or power, when I unrestricted my supermoto of its emissions rubbish the difference was phenomenal might of only been 1-3 bhp difference but it made everything that more easier, a increase in capacity is normally for driveability not more revs short stroke engines rev hard where as the NC700 will naturally have a long stroke in its power delivery, for my current bike that revs to 14.5K adding 40cc to the capacity drops 1K in revs.
Yeah, you're right..
I just want the last few hundred revs to have a noticeable surge of power.
Flat is nice, but boring.

Don't want peaky.. just a "punch" from 5500 to 6500, that's all!
You get dissapointed a bit when you ride around at a sane pace from 2000
to 4000 revs, expecting a boost in power when you rev it out to the end,
and then nothing happens, it remains exactly the same!

I heard that the Versys was like that too - but my ER6F (Ninja 650R) wasn't,
there was a noticeable jump in power from 7k to 9k revs, and that's where
the extra 7hp between the two were.

THAT is what I want from the NC750X.

Same EVERYTHING up to 5500, which would result in same MPG figures
no doubt, but a kick from 5500+, for which I'd sacrifice a bit of MPGs.

That said.. my 650R, with 50% more power (!) was VERY close in MPGs
when ridden at low revs.
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Old 07-03-2013, 03:27 PM   #4596
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the NC700 has a very smooth running order so its smooth all the way up the Ninja 650 "ER-6F" has a 180 degree crank set-up meaning its very pulsey in the way it packs a punch a more aggressive manner compared the the 270 degree spacing of the honda, I do think this chassis maybe made abit lighter with fully integrated panniers and touring fairings would sell well.
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Old 07-03-2013, 11:12 PM   #4597
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Don't get me started on the 180 crank on the 650R.
That's one of the main reasons I sold it.
The vibrations drove me nuts, but the power delivery was great,
that engine is a gem.

I'd love to try a newer version (had 2007).
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Old 07-04-2013, 05:18 AM   #4598
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50cc increase will add 3.6hp to the 670cc engine. Giving 52hp at the wheel. The 500's have 44hp and it comes higher up the rev range.
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Old 07-04-2013, 07:28 AM   #4599
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I'd like to see a major weight loss to go w/the displacement/power bump. That'd be a huge step in the right direction, IMO, and I'd gladly pay a bigger chunk of change for it. More power and better economy from the changes, maybe? I'd like it and I'd gladly pay for it.
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Old 07-04-2013, 07:32 AM   #4600
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1. You're an idiot, as Beemerphile is on this website and has been for a while. Is it really that hard to do a user search?

2. He's very knowledgeable and has done some great work on his NC700X.

3. He's been very helpful to me as he lives an hour away from me. He's lent me the use of his very, very well stocked workshop. He's always been great about PMing advice on different projects I'm considering for my bike. Additionally, he's lent me his tire changer and time to help with swapping out tires.

4. He really rides. And takes his bike's performance seriously.

4. He's not an anonymous fake noob douche.

Is he opinionated? Yup. Can he back up his opinion with actual data and research? Yup. Don't like the NC forum? I'm sure your presence won't be missed. I'll wager that if you do a poll on the site you're referencing, Beemer will get more positive commentary than negative. Now, why don't you go troll another forum.

Sorry to the thread, but I couldn't let that comment stand.

/Rant off/

PS I really like the Seat Concepts product...
Beemerphile made fun of me. I cried.

He certainly knows the NC and is a valuable resource.
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Old 07-04-2013, 07:37 AM   #4601
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The fake beemerfile doesn't even have a profile. I have no respect for someone that doesn't create a profile.
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Old 07-04-2013, 08:02 AM   #4602
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1. You're an idiot, as Beemerphile is on this website and has been for a while. Is it really that hard to do a user search?

2. He's very knowledgeable and has done some great work on his NC700X.

3. He's been very helpful to me as he lives an hour away from me. He's lent me the use of his very, very well stocked workshop. He's always been great about PMing advice on different projects I'm considering for my bike. Additionally, he's lent me his tire changer and time to help with swapping out tires.

4. He really rides. And takes his bike's performance seriously.

4. He's not an anonymous fake noob douche.

Is he opinionated? Yup. Can he back up his opinion with actual data and research? Yup. Don't like the NC forum? I'm sure your presence won't be missed. I'll wager that if you do a poll on the site you're referencing, Beemer will get more positive commentary than negative. Now, why don't you go troll another forum.

Sorry to the thread, but I couldn't let that comment stand.

/Rant off/

PS I really like the Seat Concepts product...
Well said!
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Old 07-04-2013, 08:12 AM   #4603
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What happened to the other website NC Forums? They are tyrants over there lead by a real DICK called Beemerphile. You either see ALL things his way or you're an idiot. This site has been much better. I value honest difference of opinion but when your don't go with the popular "click" you're viewed as a degenerate. Reminds me of Glen and the KLR forums. As long as that douche-bag Beemerphile doesn't start frequenting this website we are ok.
"We" are fine without having to trash anyone.

Everyone is part of the "clique" until they want it otherwise and a first post trashing someone in particular implies that you want to start your own clique, the very thing that bothered you enough to leave a very good forum.
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Old 07-04-2013, 09:10 AM   #4604
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"We" are fine without having to trash anyone.

Everyone is part of the "clique" until they want it otherwise and a first post trashing someone in particular implies that you want to start your own clique, the very thing that bothered you enough to leave a very good forum.
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You can always start your own forum.

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