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Old 10-13-2011, 03:21 AM   #46
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i think part of that problem over time has been the lower price points the Japanese must meet as people were expecting it...thus they have to cut somewhere. that mentality is changing on both the consumer & mfg side.
I agree and I hope so.
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Old 10-13-2011, 03:52 AM   #47
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This thread needs to be moved to Road Warriors

What part of this bike makes it in any way a dual sport or adventure bike?
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Old 10-13-2011, 04:41 AM   #48
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What part of this bike makes it in any way a dual sport or adventure bike?
No more than a Ducati Multistrada, Standard Tiger800, Wee-Strom, etc etc.

Should we move all of them OR is it the cylinder count that determines it?
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Old 10-13-2011, 05:01 AM   #49
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I reckon if it's got high bars and a big tank - it's an ADV bike (sort of). I guess a lot of the bikes are road only - but given that most of our roads are pot holed and covered with crap, then they qualify. For me, the fact that this class is gaining new models of any variety and capability is good. Sports and Sports Tourers are giving way to this class - so to attract new customers the mfgs need a broad spread of performance.
Anyway - we haven't even seen the specs of the bike yet.
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Old 10-13-2011, 06:23 AM   #50
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yeah man i know that.
dude my point was Triumph created a road focused bike with the 1050 version (the girlie could do dirt) as they felt most Tiger owners wanted a road bike. now they've gone back to the beast formula (19" fr & 150-17" r) with the new one.

i know your posting here because you can't wait to oooze on how the S10 is the greatest bike in the world (and so much better than this new bike), as that all your posts ever seem to be.
Assumption is the mother of all fuck-ups, and she just held your hand...

I'm not favouring 1 bike, i've got a shed full of different marques, Beta Motor Morini Honda Susuki Derbi Yamaha, sold the Bimota to finance the S10 though...

I would really like to see Kwak doing its own Allroad, instaed of rebadging a V-STrom, and Triumph go back to the greatness of the Original Triumph, which did sleepover in my Old shed :-)



So i hope the Kwak will be more like this, then another DR-Big look alike :-)
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Old 10-13-2011, 07:06 AM   #51
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just try riding each one of them on a rough dirt road with generous potholes having sharp edges, mud pits, loose limbs here and there, and a steep downhill strewn with rocks.
that will sort which ones are doable for adv. the consensus up to this point is that versys ain't. its a small tigger 1050.

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No more than a Ducati Multistrada, Standard Tiger800, Wee-Strom, etc etc.

Should we move all of them OR is it the cylinder count that determines it?
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Old 10-13-2011, 07:18 AM   #52
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just try riding each one of them on a rough dirt road with generous potholes having sharp edges, mud pits, loose limbs here and there, and a steep downhill strewn with rocks.
that will sort which ones are doable for adv. the consensus up to this point is that versys ain't. its a small tigger 1050.
The old 650 Versys is here, the new one is all theory at the moment. Time will tell I suppose.
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Old 10-13-2011, 09:53 AM   #53
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The Kwak'ers are no fools. They watched "social media" sites like this when we were petitioning Yamaha to bring he SuperTen. It 'prolly took a couple engineers 2 weeks to splice the big lump into a Versys, then they 'leaked' a couple pix to watch the reaction. Instant (and cheap) market analysis.
Certainly hope they're reading the thread about the V-based KLR......... THAT would be an instant winner.

Personally (if anyone's listening) I love it.
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Old 10-13-2011, 10:31 AM   #54
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The Kwak'ers are no fools. They watched "social media" sites like this when we were petitioning Yamaha to bring he SuperTen. It 'prolly took a couple engineers 2 weeks to splice the big lump into a Versys, then they 'leaked' a couple pix to watch the reaction. Instant (and cheap) market analysis.
Certainly hope they're reading the thread about the V-based KLR......... THAT would be an instant winner.

Personally (if anyone's listening) I love it.
here here on the KLR twin!!!
just fix the suspension too.

i've been on a versys and that is a spunky little engine.
i really like the 800gs and 800xc but prefer living with what the Japanese bring to the table
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Old 10-13-2011, 01:25 PM   #55
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What part of this bike makes it in any way a dual sport or adventure bike?
Hey, Bikefree... with a name like that, do you even own a bike? If you don't, I don't think your comment has much weight....
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Old 10-13-2011, 01:38 PM   #56
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Long legged, high power, standard bike with hard bags, just like the old Tiger, the Uly, the Multi, the new 1200 Tiger, the new Honda......... and now this. They really do fit what many guys are looking for in a bike.

I bet they are fairly good for the bottom line of the bike companies too.
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Old 10-13-2011, 02:34 PM   #57
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What part of this bike makes it in any way a dual sport or adventure bike?
If these guys can do this on a Harley, it ain't the bike that makes the adventure.

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Old 10-13-2011, 02:43 PM   #58
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What part of this bike makes it in any way a dual sport or adventure bike?
I would have to wonder the same thing. The bike looks like ass, and chances are it won't even make it to the US. What is so exciting about a 4-cylinder Versys-styled bike? Put some bar risers on a Z1000.
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Old 10-13-2011, 02:51 PM   #59
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I would have to wonder the same thing. The bike looks like ass, and chances are it won't even make it to the US. What is so exciting about a 4-cylinder Versys-styled bike? Put some bar risers on a Z1000.
And some different suspension. Anyway don't burst the bubble for the 1/4 mile Adventurers OK.

The Poms like that sort of thing.
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Old 10-13-2011, 03:15 PM   #60
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Just watched that Nick Sanders R1 video.

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