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Old 04-19-2013, 06:44 AM   #1951
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Fuel taxes pay for some of the road and highway building but not all of it.
We could require all bicycles operating on the public roads to be licensed and pay a yearly fee just like every other vehicle. Riders should be required to have liability insurance and wear helmets at all times.
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Old 04-19-2013, 07:43 AM   #1952
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Old 04-19-2013, 08:01 AM   #1953
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that's crazy....
I thought people were meant to keep control of their animals?


and who says bicycles are slow?
this guy is tearing ass on a mountain bike

Wow! Eric has serious issues with going fast down a mountain on a bicycle! Having the ft end break off at speed has to suck,hes out cold for at least half of his long tumble.
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Old 04-19-2013, 08:53 AM   #1954
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We could require all bicycles operating on the public roads to be licensed and pay a yearly fee just like every other vehicle. Riders should be required to have liability insurance and wear helmets at all times.

Should we do the same for walkers who use the streets? Justify your answer if you don't mind.
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Old 04-19-2013, 09:30 AM   #1955
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Should we do the same for walkers who use the streets? Justify your answer if you don't mind.
Don't forget to make pet owners carry insurance too!
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Old 04-19-2013, 10:02 AM   #1956
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Don't forget to make pet owners carry insurance too!
That's just good common sense. The animal's owner is always responsible if it attacks someone.
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Old 04-19-2013, 10:44 AM   #1957
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Its ALWAYS a great day for a ride.

We did 53mi of mixed surface roads yesterday. 3:22 or so of moving time. 2 flats: mine ($50 tubular) and a buddy's ($3 tube). In the defense of the tubulars, he's had half a dozen flats already where I've had one.

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WTF are you guys riding over that's causing all these flats? I live in central western VA and work from home a lot, so many days I take a 15 to 20 mile ride around the 'hood on an unlimited variety of back roads. Some are good asphalt, some are shit asphalt, some are gravel/dirt roads. I've put 3000 miles on a Surly cyclocross bike I bought recently and haven't had a single flat to date. Well, I take that back - right after I got the bike I rode ~50 miles on the BRP one afternoon (James River to Hwy 60 overpass near Buena Vista and back) and got a flat about 100 yeards from the car on the return. Turned out the tech who built the bike forgot to put a rim strap in and the spoke nipples ate a hole in the tube . Anyway, over 3000 miles on my 100 psi cyclocross slicks without a single road hazard flat, I must be living right somehow!

I guess I'm lucky to live out here in the Stix. This is the road into town:



We don't have a whole lot of traffic, but we do have our share of idiots in cars that don't seem to understand what those double yellow lines are the roads are for. I can't count how many times I've been surprised by someone coming around a blind corner or over a blind hill completely in the on-coming lane. The biggest issue, though, is people overtaking not giving enough separation distance, whiffing past by a foot, even if there's no one coming the other way. Funny, they have no issue crossing the double yellow unless it's to pass a bicyclist. I've ridden with bicyclists, too, by the way; some of these guys are true assholes in the way they disregard and sometimes actively block or obstruct the vehicular traffic "just to make the point" and even as a fellow cyclist I have an issue with that. No one wins in that scenario, nothing but hard feelings comes from being an asshole on either side of the argument.

Why can't we all just be accepting, respectful, and share like we learned in kindergarten??? There is plenty of room for all of us out there. I guess maybe I live in a happy little World (with lots of GREAT cycling roads) that doesn't always properly reflect reality .

BTW, Jim VB, I like your house, too bad it isn't on a quieter street! We're making plans to build a new house on our land and I really like that classic look. Gonna have a wrap-around porch and tons of windows.

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Old 04-19-2013, 10:47 AM   #1958
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That's just good common sense. The animal's owner is always responsible if it attacks someone.
Did you read Gummee's link a page back?
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Old 04-19-2013, 12:11 PM   #1959
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@manfromthestix: gravel roads + loose rocks + speed* + bad luck = flats.

My flat was a puncture. My buddy's flats have been pinch flats. IOW he keeps hitting rocks 'just wrong' and pinching his 34c clinchers.

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*downhills
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Old 04-19-2013, 02:21 PM   #1960
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@manfromthestix: gravel roads + loose rocks + speed* + bad luck = flats.

My flat was a puncture. My buddy's flats have been pinch flats. IOW he keeps hitting rocks 'just wrong' and pinching his 34c clinchers.

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*downhills
We've got plenty of hills out here so I'm routinely hitting between 35 and 40 on the downhills on ratty asphalt (tone it down for gravel ya know) on the slicks and still never had a flat. I have gotten some stone cuts in the tires and it's time for new ones, but no flats. I must have gotten some extra special tubes or somthing .

Ride safe!

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Old 04-19-2013, 03:16 PM   #1961
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We could require all bicycles operating on the public roads to be licensed and pay a yearly fee just like every other vehicle. Riders should be required to have liability insurance and wear helmets at all times.
I have insurance for me & the bicycle. Cost is about $100 per year. However the cost of "licensed and pay a yearly fee" is far exceeded by the cost of collection.

In an ideal ttpete world every newborn would be stamped with an id front back and sides so you can tell who they are - walking, standing, riding or driving. Across your forhead would be a good start. And every year you 'd pay for roads, footpaths, national parks, forests, playgrounds etc (I think that is called taxes.. but I could be wrong) . You first ttpete. For the stamping.
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Old 04-19-2013, 03:26 PM   #1962
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I have insurance for me & the bicycle. Cost is about $100 per year. However the cost of "licensed and pay a yearly fee" is far exceeded by the cost of collection.

In an ideal ttpete world every newborn would be stamped with an id front back and sides so you can tell who they are - walking, standing, riding or driving. Across your forhead would be a good start. And every year you 'd pay for roads, footpaths, national parks, forests, playgrounds etc (I think that is called taxes.. but I could be wrong) . You first ttpete. For the stamping.
I pay to use the roads, why should you use them for free? I think $25/year per bicycle is fair.
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Old 04-19-2013, 03:34 PM   #1963
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We've got plenty of hills out here so I'm routinely hitting between 35 and 40 on the downhills on ratty asphalt (tone it down for gravel ya know) on the slicks and still never had a flat. I have gotten some stone cuts in the tires and it's time for new ones, but no flats. I must have gotten some extra special tubes or somthing .

Ride safe!

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Better knock on some wood!

Hey, if you're in NoVA this weekend, a buddy of mine and I are doing a mixed surface century Sun AM.

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Old 04-19-2013, 03:36 PM   #1964
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I pay to use the roads, why should you use them for free? I think $25/year per bicycle is fair.
We'll go down this road again...

So... exactly how much wear and tear does a bicycle + rider put on the roads?

Next stupid question: where exactly is it this $25 is going? How much to cover the govt agency needed to design/issue/monitor the whatever you get when you pay your $25? How much is actually left over to do anything? *IF* I thought paying a fee for my bicycle would actually do something, I'd be for it. Otherwise?

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Old 04-19-2013, 04:00 PM   #1965
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Ok, having just found this thread I feel the need to vent about some cyclists here in the UK well.... If that's what you should call them...I am referring to teenagers on bicycles who think the correct way to ride a bike is at 5mph, on ONE WHEEL in the centre of your lane or even worse in the ONCOMING lane.Yes WHEELIES . These idiots have encountered me twice and each time I have sounded my horn. The highway code says you should use your horn only to draw attention and make other road users aware of my presence. If anyone sees it, then sure that was my intent ;-) its not my fault that these dick -for-brains idiots usually almost lose their balance and almost fall off. Would be funny if one of them did because these idiots are NOT fellow road users in my opinion and deserve exactly the same courtesy they give us... None.

Of course the majority of cyclists are sensible and safe and should not be tarred with my brush. My opinion is reserved only for these dickish pricks who think they are "road superman". Well, that's My 0.02c well spent. :-)

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