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Old 12-20-2013, 06:20 AM   #3751
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Cyclist jailed for a year after hitting nine-year-old girl on zebra crossing


So let me get this straight: you run over someone with a car and you get a slap on the wrist. ...but... If you run over someone on a bicycle you get a year in jail.

...and that makes sense?!



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Old 12-20-2013, 07:31 AM   #3752
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Well, he fled after breaking her skull because he ran a red light.

I say he got almost what he deserved. That does not mean that car drivers should just get a slap on the wrist.

GBH is GBH by bike or car.
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Old 12-20-2013, 12:12 PM   #3753
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Cyclist jailed for a year after hitting nine-year-old girl on zebra crossing


So let me get this straight: you run over someone with a car and you get a slap on the wrist. ...but... If you run over someone on a bicycle you get a year in jail.

...and that makes sense?!



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so there are a lot of cases where cars run red lights, hit a bicyclist causing relatively serious injuries, and then flee the scene and the driver just gets a slap on the wrist?

somehow, i doubt it.
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Old 12-20-2013, 07:44 PM   #3754
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Cyclist jailed for a year after hitting nine-year-old girl on zebra crossing


So let me get this straight: you run over someone on a motorcycle with a car and you get a slap on the wrist. ...but... If you run over someone on a bicycle you get a year in jail.

...and that makes sense?!



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He should have gotten more than a year.
How does the line go? "The road is not your racetrack"

He would have probably done the same thing if he was driving his car.
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Old 12-20-2013, 07:46 PM   #3755
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He should have gotten more than a year.
How does the line go? "The road is not your racetrack"

He would have probably done the same thing if he was driving his car.
How do you jump to *that* conclusion?

ESP?



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Old 12-20-2013, 07:50 PM   #3756
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so there are a lot of cases where cars run red lights, hit a bicyclist causing relatively serious injuries, and then flee the scene and the driver just gets a slap on the wrist?

somehow, i doubt it.
Have you not been paying attention?

Go back and read most of what I've posted. Start here If you want to kill someone, hit em on a bicycle. You'll get a slap on the wrist and maybe a ticket for 'failure to yield' or some such nonsense. You almost certainly won't do time for it.

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Old 12-20-2013, 07:55 PM   #3757
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How do you jump to *that* conclusion?

ESP?



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That he is an inconsiderate asshole?

Pretty easy jump. Hit a 9 year old girl crossing the street and then ride away.

Had his head down, and his butt in the air. Not paying attention to, or giving a shit about, traffic signals or pedestrians.
No ESP needed.


What would you think if it was your daughter?
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Old 12-21-2013, 11:11 AM   #3758
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That he is an inconsiderate asshole?

Pretty easy jump. Hit a 9 year old girl crossing the street and then ride away.

Had his head down, and his butt in the air. Not paying attention to, or giving a shit about, traffic signals or pedestrians.
No ESP needed.


What would you think if it was your daughter?
This may seem an odd take on this post, but you bring up something that I wonder about: What effect does it really have on powers of observation to be leaning so far forward on a bicycle or motorcycle that the rider's neck is nearly parallel with the ground? I have always ridden standard machines, and have good peripheral vision, enabling me to get a good Panavision shot of the road. Racing bikers- can you see very well with your butts in the air and your head down?
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Old 12-21-2013, 11:22 AM   #3759
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Have you not been paying attention?

Go back and read most of what I've posted. Start here If you want to kill someone, hit em on a bicycle. You'll get a slap on the wrist and maybe a ticket for 'failure to yield' or some such nonsense. You almost certainly won't do time for it.

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yes, i have been paying attention.

that's why i noticed the difference between the last case you posted and the other cases you have posted.

that difference is *hit and run*...even the guy in the "start here" article you posted stated "unless you...flee the scene".

you seem to be so focused on each parties' mode of transportation that you completely miss the actions and circumstances that are unique to each incident. (mode of transportation should be completely irrelevant...actions are what matter.)
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Old 12-21-2013, 02:08 PM   #3760
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This may seem an odd take on this post, but you bring up something that I wonder about: What effect does it really have on powers of observation to be leaning so far forward on a bicycle or motorcycle that the rider's neck is nearly parallel with the ground? I have always ridden standard machines, and have good peripheral vision, enabling me to get a good Panavision shot of the road. Racing bikers- can you see very well with your butts in the air and your head down?
I've ridden a road bike for years, and never had any trouble seeing where I was going.
These guys seem to do ok.


Considering that you could just as easily run into the side of a truck as a little girl while running a red light.
You'd think one would want to see what was in front of you.
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Old 12-21-2013, 08:57 PM   #3761
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yes, i have been paying attention.

that's why i noticed the difference between the last case you posted and the other cases you have posted.

that difference is *hit and run*...even the guy in the "start here" article you posted stated "unless you...flee the scene".

you seem to be so focused on each parties' mode of transportation that you completely miss the actions and circumstances that are unique to each incident. (mode of transportation should be completely irrelevant...actions are what matter.)
M'kay, I'll bite on that bait

Explain to me how someone can hit a cyclist and its 'just an accident' and this guy gets a year in jail for hitting a pedestrian?

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A woman who posted a message on Twitter about knocking a cyclist off his bike has been found guilty of two charges related to the incident. Emma Way, 22, clipped cyclist Toby Hockley with her car in Norfolk in May.
She then tweeted: "Definitely knocked a cyclist off his bike earlier. I have right of way - he doesn't even pay road tax! #Bloodycyclists."
Norwich magistrates convicted her of failing to stop after an accident and failing to report it, which she denied.
Way, of Watton, was acquitted of driving without due care and attention.
She was ordered to pay a 337 fine, 300 in costs and was given seven points on her licence.

Use small words 'cause I'm obviously not real bright.


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Old 12-22-2013, 06:50 AM   #3762
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She posted it on Twitter. Same as reporting it, right? :-)

The answer is this: different attorneys and different injuries. Also people are very protective of children.

It would be hard in court to look at a 9yo injured girl and say "she caused this. It wasn't me." Or whatever lame excuse the defendant has.
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Old 12-22-2013, 04:58 PM   #3763
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Court rejects tougher sentence for Gary McCourt, double cyclist killer

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It means McCourt's original "scandalous" sentence for killing Fyfe, handed down in May this year, stands at 300 hours of community service and a five-year driving ban
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Old 12-22-2013, 08:39 PM   #3764
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Well, he fled after breaking her skull because he ran a red light.

I say he got almost what he deserved. That does not mean that car drivers should just get a slap on the wrist.

GBH is GBH by bike or car.

Yep, the dumbass deserved it.
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Old 12-22-2013, 08:41 PM   #3765
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This may seem an odd take on this post, but you bring up something that I wonder about: What effect does it really have on powers of observation to be leaning so far forward on a bicycle or motorcycle that the rider's neck is nearly parallel with the ground? I have always ridden standard machines, and have good peripheral vision, enabling me to get a good Panavision shot of the road. Racing bikers- can you see very well with your butts in the air and your head down?
You don't keep your head down in traffic if you are smart.
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