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Old 02-14-2014, 06:46 AM   #4291
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This guy is quite the piece of work…

full story here;
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewir...er-no-bicycles
He's probably correct though - sooner or later, everyone gets hit but, that's no reason to tell them to stop that particular activity or lessen the efforts to make the streets safer to everyone.

Apply his logic to cars - we're still building them and we're still paving streets.
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Old 02-14-2014, 07:08 AM   #4292
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Barraga must be an idiot. It is this type of small minded thinking that should get him canned at the next election.
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Old 02-14-2014, 04:07 PM   #4293
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In the Netherlands, 50cc scooters often use the cycling lanes. They are well behaved. Larger motorcycles that can keep up with traffic use the roadways. I've taken my Brompton folding bike over there and have used Dutch bikes, and it's a very enjoyable experience. The mixed use is no problem, because everyone follows the rules.

Here in the Seattle area, we could get some of this benefit by letting scooters use dedicated trails like the Burke-Gilman, the I-90 trail, etc. We'd have to act like the Dutch and enforce speed limits for all 2-wheeled vehicles to 15 mph, because it's not the mix of vehicles that's dangerous, it's the mix of speeds. Eventually we should build dedicated trails for low-speed two-wheeled vehicles.

I'd like to see the Iron Horse state-wide rail-trail opened up to motorcycles and ATVs with the same 15 mph speed limit.
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Old 02-16-2014, 03:10 AM   #4294
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"The mixed use is no problem because everyone follows the rules". The problem is when they don't. Never happen in the land of "it's all about me".

I will always have a problem with asshats that purposely obstruct traffic by going 3mph, in a pack, occupying the entire lane on a road with a posted 55 mph speed limit when there are clearly marked bike lanes, and alternative LSV routes.

I'm not going to run over anyone. I followed a small group of 8 last weekend on a narrow 2 lane road for over a mile before they moved over to let me pass. The problem is the guy 9 cars back who is an even worse asshat that decides to pass 8 cars and a pack of bike riders that are in the way.

I have the same problem with Granny Bluehair, Soccer Mom, Stupid texting teens, claptrap cars, and the seats leaned all the way back, one eyeball over the dash ass that thinks it cool to profile down the road at 10mph so you can have the time to fully appreciate his 150 decibel sound system blast out obscenities.
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Old 02-16-2014, 08:58 AM   #4295
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Saw this on another thread. I don't know what the guy on the bike was so pissed about?


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Old 02-16-2014, 10:20 AM   #4296
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Saw this on another thread. I don't know what the guy on the bike was so pissed about?

Someone else mentioned this set up as something they do in Europe(?). If you notice, there is a line at traffic lights for cars(where the car stopped at the site of the altercation) and then there is a line up front for bicyclists to stop at(along with a bicycle symbol). The guy in the car was in the wrong for encroaching into the bicycle area.
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Old 02-16-2014, 02:09 PM   #4297
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I'd like to see the Iron Horse state-wide rail-trail opened up to motorcycles and ATVs with the same 15 mph speed limit.
That would end badly.
There are sections of rail-trail here for walking and biking that are so torn up from quads that you can't use them.

No enforcement, no one cares except the ones who want to use the trails the way they were meant to be used.
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Old 02-16-2014, 03:33 PM   #4298
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Went for a nice long ride today. A bit nippy at 38 degrees to begin with, but warmed up to 70, what a gloriously beautiful day. We encountered tons of cyclists. Every one of them played by the rules and there was absolutely no drama.
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Old 02-16-2014, 06:19 PM   #4300
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Went for a nice long ride today. A bit nippy at 38 degrees to begin with, but warmed up to 70, what a gloriously beautiful day. We encountered tons of cyclists. Every one of them played by the rules and there was absolutely no drama.

I did 102 miles this weekend on two different cycling rides. No issues except for one car who pulled out in front of me from an apartment parking lot. I jabbed the brakes to keep from hitting the convertible. Shit-for-brains.
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Old 02-16-2014, 06:51 PM   #4301
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Someone else mentioned this set up as something they do in Europe(?). If you notice, there is a line at traffic lights for cars(where the car stopped at the site of the altercation) and then there is a line up front for bicyclists to stop at(along with a bicycle symbol). The guy in the car was in the wrong for encroaching into the bicycle area.
https://www.seattle.gov/transportation/bikeboxes.htm
What the driver did was illegal, but it also shows why its illegal for individuals take it upon themselves to "enforce" or "educate".

Took the bike I'm building on its maiden shakedown and adjustment run.
Only about 8 miles, yeah, I'm out of shape.
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Old 02-16-2014, 07:02 PM   #4302
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Took the bike I'm building on its maiden shakedown and adjustment run.
Only about 8 miles, yeah, I'm out of shape.
Do you have any particular goals in mind? Be safe and have fun!
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Do you have any particular goals in mind? Be safe and have fun!
Putting together a Flying Pigeon with a 3 speed hub and other upgrades. Will be using it for relaxed casual riding and exercise on our extensive trail system. Topography rules out commuting, and too far out in the sticks for any practical utility riding.
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Old 02-16-2014, 08:39 PM   #4304
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Did not ride today.

Poo.

Raged against the machine all morning, then finally went to Verizon, traded the phone off.
iPhone5 now. Ordered the case and sensor stuff from Wahoo Fitness.

Figured out the trick to easy upgrade. Reset the phone at home, then go to the provider. Walk out and restore the pphone yourself at home. Mucho easier.
I let the used car salesman/phone guy at Verizon load my contacts. I ended up having to re-do it all once I got home anyway to get all my crap back on the phone where I wanted.

Almost. Looking forward to playing with the Wahoo stuff when it shows up too.
I'll get in and out of work early tomorrow, so I'll get a little ride in a few evenings this week.
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Old 02-17-2014, 05:18 AM   #4305
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"The mixed use is no problem because everyone follows the rules". The problem is when they don't. Never happen in the land of "it's all about me".

I will always have a problem with asshats that purposely obstruct traffic by going 3mph, in a pack, occupying the entire lane on a road with a posted 55 mph speed limit when there are clearly marked bike lanes, and alternative LSV routes.

I'm not going to run over anyone. I followed a small group of 8 last weekend on a narrow 2 lane road for over a mile before they moved over to let me pass. The problem is the guy 9 cars back who is an even worse asshat that decides to pass 8 cars and a pack of bike riders that are in the way.

I have the same problem with Granny Bluehair, Soccer Mom, Stupid texting teens, claptrap cars, and the seats leaned all the way back, one eyeball over the dash ass that thinks it cool to profile down the road at 10mph so you can have the time to fully appreciate his 150 decibel sound system blast out obscenities.
Are you saying a guy 9 cars back managed to pass but you couldn't? If so, i understand where the problem is.
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