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Old 03-26-2012, 01:24 PM   #136
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Pull the motor/tranny
Clean the greasy dirty thing up...
Clean the dirty greasy frame up...
Powerplant
Pull heads - send to Aldo (machinist) for for testing/inspection. Repair/refresh if compression low.
Pull cylinders for Gilardoni replacement
Inspect crank/cam bearings
Replace seals front rear main
Carbs rebuilt
I don't even know yet if it's got a chain or gears but check and refresh as necessary
Improve generator mounting bracket
Replace clutch springs
Inspect plates for wear
Crack tranny/inspect for wear and replace shifter return spring
Gaskets/seals/gaskets/seals
Keep cleaning the dirty greasy bitch up
Fix whatever else looks bad

Frame/Suspenders
Clean the greasy dirty thing up
Pull rear swing, grease bearing and head yoke
Inspect repair driveshaft/UJoint/spline
Replace boot
Replace carrier
Inspect rear drive for operation
Brakes front and rear
Inspect/refresh shocks
New Cables
Check refresh harness
Keep cleaning the damn thing up
New tires
New battery
Fresh gas lines
Sparky wires
I'm gonna throw two little Uni filters on the carbs for now

Then I was gonna put fresh oil and gas in it, start it up and take it for a ride....

Did I miss anything?

sounds like you've got a good handle on this thing,
and that you're doing a bit more thorough job than we all thought at first.

Greg Bender has a good "while you're in there" check list you should follow, so I won't bother repeating what's there.

But check your oil pump for sloppiness, and your pressure relief valve.
And be really patient with the swing arm pivot pins that some have mentioned. I don't even know if they make a tap that size if you bugger it.
Mine were slightly screwed, but once removed, I put a little valve grinding paste on the pin and threaded it in from the opposite side to clean it up.
Forget who I bought them from (maybe John Chicone?), but somebody makes a set of loop tools that I found to be indispensable.
In a pinch, .22 shells and some pump pliers do the trick for those pins anyhow.

Mark E. at MGClassics has the best friction plates and brake shoes you can buy, as well as being a super dude. Buy his shit.

Buy yourself a generator belt to have on hand.
I never bought into the fancy bracket, just replaced the bolts with studs,
and wore my belt a little loose.

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Old 03-26-2012, 03:02 PM   #137
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In a pinch, .22 shells and some pump pliers do the trick


For me? Or the bike?

No seriously, describe the process that involves .22 Long Rifles and a pair of Channel Locks...
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Old 03-26-2012, 03:48 PM   #138
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underneath the big acorns on the swingarm is a pivot pin for each side
The pin in a cylinder with 2 holes.
I had some .22 blanks (from a concrete nailer)
which fit the holes really nice, and they don't twist when you lever on em.
Grab on to them with some channel locks, pump pliers, vice grips, teeth
and have at it.

And coat those suckers with some antiseize or something
count the threads exposed to make sure you're true
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Old 03-26-2012, 06:41 PM   #139
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Somethin' like this?

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Old 03-26-2012, 07:00 PM   #140
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Loosen the jam-nut and they may just twist out, probably not though.

Not a shooter of blanks, i mean, i still have some lead in the pencil.

With a soft faced hammer tap two drill shanks(the smooth part) into the holes.
They should fit snug. Use a good 12" cresent with tight undamaged jaws across the two bits.
Extract CC. Make sure the jaws are tight and against #16 in the diagram you posted.
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Old 03-30-2012, 06:12 AM   #141
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This raises an interesting question

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Old 03-30-2012, 06:29 AM   #142
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This raises an interesting question


Here's the '74 Eldorado Police that Moe has up on Ebay currently. Nice bike. VIN # 61920

Now here's my bike. Not nearly as shiny and it's not running yet...



VIN# 61921 Now THAT'S scary unto itself!!!

My question to those who know more than myself... (everybody) is:

These two bikes came off the assembly line back to back. How do we account for the opposite cosmetic differences?
White vs. Black. Chrome fenders vs. Painted. Seats different. I'm sure I could find more if I looked longer...
Was every bike custom built to order? An assembly is an assembly line. You build a hundred of 'em looking like that. Then you build a hundred of 'em looking like this...

How can this be?
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Old 03-30-2012, 07:25 AM   #143
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Guzzis generally get modded by every hand that owns one.

I'm not sure but i do not remember Eldos coming with chromed fenders but i could be wrong.

The sequential numbers? A real cah-winkie-dink.

Moe's Eldo is nice but over-restored imo.

Service your starter and make sure the battery cables are good.
i made up my own cables and went with larger gage wire, #4 iirc.
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Old 03-30-2012, 08:55 AM   #144
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LAPD and others (like the Inglewood CA PD) who tagged on to the order had chrome fenders. Other agencies bought them stock and added stuff to their own specs, and some small agencies just let the individual motor cops set the bikes up how they liked them.
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But at what point, do two bikes, # 61920 and #61921 , become so different?
At the factory?
The dealer?
The previous owner?

Why would 61920 have painted fenders and 61921 have chrome?
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LAPD and others (like the Inglewood CA PD) who tagged on to the order had chrome fenders. Other agencies bought them stock and added stuff to their own specs, and some small agencies just let the individual motor cops set the bikes up how they liked them.
So,
Are you suggesting that each bike had a specific work order as it was built?
Very Cool!

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Old 03-30-2012, 03:46 PM   #147
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dan, Moe's was restored. The assumption that is original is out the window. He could've done anything he wanted to it and probably did, he knows how to make a buck off a loop. Likewise with yours, who's saying it's exactly as it is as when it came from the factory? Every loop I ever met was a bitsa.
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That bikes been restored several times. When did they remove the chrome fenders and put painted on...?
Or, when did my bike receive special factory accessory chrome fenders? At the dealer? Or Factory?
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Old 03-30-2012, 07:17 PM   #149
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Chrome fenders = Eldorado California
Painted fenders = Eldorado

Does either bike have a siren bracket or even remnants of one? Either one have solid (vs. tubular) front crashbars? If not, most likely neither one was ever delivered to a PD.
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Old 03-31-2012, 12:40 AM   #150
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My question to those who know more than myself... (everybody) is:

These two bikes came off the assembly line back to back. How do we account for the opposite cosmetic differences?
Simple answer......The Cycle Garden bike isn't restored to original. The extra disc........the older style fender reflectors, solo seat and probably paint. That bike is more likely faux Police, made to look like a police bike, B/W paint scheme, Deitz lights, metal paniers etc..............later civilian Eldo's came with popular "police" options from the factory, single pod dash with big speedo, one tool box and the ignition key under the seat. Real police bikes came with solid crash bars, a siren bracket and a re-enforced top mounting point for the rear crashbar on the frame. One other distinction is the handle bar clamps.........the top part of the clamp is smooth on the civilian Police clamps............real police bikes had holes to mount a speaker.

Easy (or lazy) to just call the civilian police optioned bikes "Police".........technically they are not Police but really who cares.

As for the frames........some people cut off the siren brackets when they acquired them and some people welded them on to civilian bikes.

In Europe the bike wasn't called the Eldorado........it was 850 GT California, a.........couple months ago at Moto Guzzi Classics in So Cal there was a very original example.......it was a 72, it was black and it had chrome fenders. Chrome fenders didn't appear on US bikes till 74 I believe but somehow this one ended up in the US.
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