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Old 11-01-2011, 04:48 AM   #76
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we lucked out, I actually found the specs, I had them logged into my computer and forgot I had them...
So they are still available if you want one..

I'll grind him a HRC cam and throw the hotcam in the scrap pile.

I've sent you two cams and a XR600 head for the treatment.

Ya think the scrap pile might reject the Hot Cam? Spit it out on the floor??
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Old 11-01-2011, 04:51 AM   #77
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I've sent you two cams and a XR600 head for the treatment.

Ya think the scrap pile might reject the Hot Cam? Spit it out on the floor??

..probably not even worth 20cent at the recycler.
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Old 11-01-2011, 11:12 AM   #78
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The XL600 twin carb head is highly sought after in the flat track world for it's great pull out of the corners and high speeds down the staights.
The idea behind having one port larger that the other is to create swirl in the mixture for a better burn and throttle response so you want to keep the ports the way they are if your going to do any porting on the head, one larger than the other.
For the carbs, you don't need a pumper carb on that motor the twin round slides work great, I had a 83XL600R that was stock but with taller gearing and it would do 105 to 108 mph depending on head winds.

It's by far the best of the lot if you can find them, I have a few here that I was thinking about doing a 106mm kit on them.
I think it would be a terror with 10.5 or 11.1 comp an HRC cam grind "now that I found the specs" and keep the stock header because they already have larger tubes than a XRL has and just add a slipon.
You could build one of these on the cheap and have one sweet power band, Yikes.....

here's a pic that Wattner sent me of a xl600 motor..it has a pumper carb on the one side.
I have a feeling my XL600 has some work done to it already. With 14/45 sprockets it will power up wheelies in 1-3 with my chest on the crossbar and wheelie in 4th-5th just by staying centered and pulling up some. At 270#'s I'm not a light weight either...

I was asking how a single carb head with a pumper carbs throttle response is compared to a twin carb set-ups response.

I would like to combine my XR650L's engine with my XL600R crank and kickstart. I know I loose the majic button unless I can find a GB500 crank to use. I think the XRL's primary gearing and wide ratio trans with NX gears, the 75mm crank and a 105mm/106mm piston would be great. It would have a great rod to stroke ratio and bore to stroke ratio. Do you know if this is possible???

Is the HRC grind cam availiable for the XL's different cam and head design?

I have a 94 XR650L that would be the chassis and engine doner. It has a bad 2nd gear right now. My XL600 will donate itself just to be in a better frame/chassis.

That dual carb engine with one pumper carb is sweet, but probably overkill. It looks like it has a XR650L jug on it. They probably are opening the secondary carb sooner.

I have 2 XL headers and slip ons I use.

My friend has 6 XL600R's so I wil get spare parts from him.

I like a big thumper with a light flywheel and a hefty powerband.

So are you up to building an CW649XLR engine for me?



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Old 11-02-2011, 05:37 AM   #79
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Looks like an awesome thread, I can't wait to read through it when I get out of work today!
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Old 11-02-2011, 05:52 AM   #80
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I have a feeling my XL600 has some work done to it already. With 14/45 sprockets it will power up wheelies in 1-3 with my chest on the crossbar and wheelie in 4th-5th just by staying centered and pulling up some. At 270#'s I'm not a light weight either...

I was asking how a single carb head with a pumper carbs throttle response is compared to a twin carb set-ups response.

I would like to combine my XR650L's engine with my XL600R crank and kickstart. I know I loose the majic button unless I can find a GB500 crank to use. I think the XRL's primary gearing and wide ratio trans with NX gears, the 75mm crank and a 105mm/106mm piston would be great. It would have a great rod to stroke ratio and bore to stroke ratio. Do you know if this is possible???

Is the HRC grind cam availiable for the XL's different cam and head design?

I have a 94 XR650L that would be the chassis and engine doner. It has a bad 2nd gear right now. My XL600 will donate itself just to be in a better frame/shassis.

That dual carb engine with one pumper carb is sweet, but probably overkill. It looks like it has a XR650L jug on it. They probably are opening the secondary carb sooner.

I have 2 XL headers and slip ons I use.

My friend has 6 XL600R's so I wil get spare parts from him.

I like a big thumper with a light flywheel and a hefty powerband.

So are you up to building an CW649XLR engine for me?


Sure lets do it.....
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Old 11-02-2011, 07:48 AM   #81
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Hey CW,

How much would you charge to freshen up a motor with approximately 12000 miles on it? What I am looking for is honed cylinder, valve job, fresh gaskets and such. Well unless for similiar money you have a better way to go with the motor. Gonna have more than usual tax return this year.
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Old 11-02-2011, 08:04 AM   #82
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Hey CW,

How much would you charge to freshen up a motor with approximately 12000 miles on it? What I am looking for is honed cylinder, valve job, fresh gaskets and such. Well unless for similiar money you have a better way to go with the motor. Gonna have more than usual tax return this year.
I just made four 106mm slugs that are 10.5.1 comp, I would bore your cases/ bore your jug to eccept the over sized sleeve and bore the new sleeve and finish hone it for you and then finish it with a plateau brush...for 130.00 labor.
And to mill the head and top of the new cylinder is 25.00 apiece so 50.00 if you want that.
just a sleeve job is 50.00 bucks labor plus decking the top for 25.00 so 75.00 for that.

A valve job starts at 80.00 and goes to 150.00 depending on what cuts you want..

I'll pm you some more info on parts pricing, I give all ADV members a discount on parts.
I'm going to pm you also so we can talk more in depth.

If you want stock Honda parts NO-okie works at a Honda dealership he might cut you guys some deals also, I dunno so shoot him a pm.
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Old 11-02-2011, 09:07 AM   #83
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Those are some very reasonable prices for sure!!!
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Old 11-02-2011, 09:11 AM   #84
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Yeah I think ole Cycle Wizard and I are going to be doing business. It almost isn't worth my effort and possible breakage, never torn a motor down before, to do it myself. Send me a PM CW so I can talk to you about shipping the motor to you in late Nov, early Dec.
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Old 11-02-2011, 09:14 AM   #85
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Those are some very reasonable prices for sure!!!
Reasonable? Shit that is stupid cheap!!!!! CW MUST do this for the love and not the $$$$ !!!!!!!

For that kinda scratch I would brown bag it a month and do the dirty. At this stage of life, there is nothing else for that kinda $$$ that will put as big a grin on your face when you Whack the throttle (or roll it on for the lighthearted)

Damn, how can you NOT do that!!!!!

Once we get a price on the 2nd and 5th gears, it sounds like for a grand or less you can get a LOT of motor work and goodies.... With a CV carb rework, decent pipe and all of this goodness, there will be some HAPPY "L"s out there!

Good on you CW!!!!!!!

I'll take another, thank you!
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Those are some very reasonable prices for sure!!!

FWIW, Target sells a roll around ice chest for $30-$40.00 that makes a great, double walled crate. Just use some strap tape to seal the motor in... Don't forget to put a rag or some newspaper to sop up any errant oil.

I have shipped many an "L" motor this way!
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Old 11-02-2011, 09:20 AM   #87
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Now that is some creative thinking. I will keep that in mind.
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Now that is some creative thinking. I will keep that in mind.

X 2

I'll probably be sending in my 600 and 650 to make a special engine I want. This on will be my offroad special.

I also think I'm going to buy another XR650L for a dual purpose build. Maybe I'll trade the wife in too.

I'm thinking a long rod 105mm 9.5 to 1 big bore engine with a ported head and all the other goodies. I'll build an EFI set-up for it and program it myself. I can't let CW have all the fun. He'll can probably make the needed adapters and have some EFI fun too, Maybe we can design a system for his future XRL engine builds that want EFI.

This is basicly required as it is the start of my Bucket List. I've been on a downhill slide lately... I gotta do it soon since one need to be ready for next year. Hopefully the lifestyle changes I'm making will do some good.

I truely feel alive when the bike is trying to rip my arms off. So as soon as I the funds I'll be sending him a few motors to build.

I would like to take the trip to his shop and meet CW in person. He has definately inspired me and made my mind start working again.


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Hey MetalGuru... What part of the world are you in?
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Hey MetalGuru... What part of the world are you in?
I'm in WI. About 20 minutes south east of Milwaukee.
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