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Old 10-26-2011, 10:38 AM   #1
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2012 dr650?

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Anyone seen one? I see the website lists a cartridge fork? Picture shows that it is not USD but maybe like the 99 DR350SE?
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Old 10-27-2011, 10:12 PM   #2
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Hmmm, I just checked their website again, and now it says regular old oil damped front suspension? Oh well, so much for that dream
keswind, check under the "Features" tab, not the "Specifications" tab. First bullet under "Chassis" reads "Innovative cartridge front forks combine the best features of conventional and inverted designs, providing smooth and progressive action. Large diameter, thin-walled tubes reduce unsprung weight while maintaining high rigidity." For what it's worth, the blurb in the specs section - "Telescopic, coil spring, oil damped" - is the same blurb listed in the specs section of the DRZ and we know that has cartridge forks. I called Suzi but they didn't have (or wouldn't give out, anyway) any info other than to say the dealers should have the information on the new models by the end of next week.

I looked at the 2011 "Features" and it is suspiciously similar - though doesn't mention "cartridge forks" - "Front fork combines the best features of conventional and inverted designs: smooth and progressive action. Large diameter, thin-walled tubes reduce unsprung weight while maintaining high rigidity (with minimal below-axle extension)." Guess I won't start clearing a spot in the garage just yet...
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Old 10-28-2011, 05:05 AM   #3
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Don't get excited.
The 2012 DR650 is still a 1996 DR650.
Its seems the big news for next year is a colour option of Gray.

Maybe they are bringing the bike into the 2000's with DRZ cartridge forks but doubt it.
You can be sure the screws on the neutral sensor will still be hand tight and there will be next to no grease from the factory.
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Old 10-28-2011, 05:22 AM   #4
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Don't get excited.
The 2012 DR650 is still a 1996 DR650.
Its seems the big news for next year is a colour option of Gray.

Maybe they are bringing the bike into the 2000's with DRZ cartridge forks but doubt it.
You can be sure the screws on the neutral sensor will still be hand tight and there will be next to no grease from the factory.
Don't be such a party pooper! I bet you think Pamela Andersons boobs are fake too? A little fantasy might help me get through the upcoming winter, besides me likey gray.
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Old 10-28-2011, 09:32 AM   #5
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What... You don't like gray?
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Old 10-28-2011, 09:37 AM   #6
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is it true all new 2013's will need to be FI? if true, makes the new 2012 seem unattractive.
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Old 10-28-2011, 01:07 PM   #7
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I've heard that before but not sure. Actually wonder if the DR would survive - not sure Suzi would spend the money to move to FI on both DR and DRZ.
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Old 10-28-2011, 03:48 PM   #8
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But the seat height is now 88.8 INCHES!!?? (or you can get it lowered to 88.0)

Methinks some proofreading is in order.
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Old 10-29-2011, 02:09 PM   #9
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Keswind - I'm with you, that's why I wonder what would happen with the DR, Suzi would probably have to develop a whole new engine. I've never been able to find an official source that confirmed the FI requirement for 2013. Come to think of it, the 08 KLR had some emissions updates; gotta wonder if Kawi would have bothered with updating it at all if they were going to have to develop an FI engine in 5 years. That's a lot of money to make back on a low-priced bike.
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Old 10-29-2011, 04:27 PM   #10
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Keswind - I'm with you, that's why I wonder what would happen with the DR, Suzi would probably have to develop a whole new engine. I've never been able to find an official source that confirmed the FI requirement for 2013. Come to think of it, the 08 KLR had some emissions updates; gotta wonder if Kawi would have bothered with updating it at all if they were going to have to develop an FI engine in 5 years. That's a lot of money to make back on a low-priced bike.
my guess is it will also be water cooled w/ shim under bucket valves.
yep a whole new bike. all the japanese have been resting on DS designs from the 90s until they're forced to change...unlike the euros.
i expect alot of newly designed DS to come on to the market in the next few years.
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Old 10-29-2011, 05:26 PM   #11
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Very cool. If true, Suzuki's one step closer to making the perfect bike


Now all they have to do is fix/change the frame, rear suspension, engine, aesthetics, ergonomics, and fuel delivery, and it'll be the perfect bike!

I don't know anything about the truthfulness of these rumors, but let's not forget that the DRZ has had cartridge forks for 10 years, and the DR350 had them for a few years before it. It's not new technology, and it would not be too hard for Suzuki to swap over to them.

I would be a bit surprised if they did, though..
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Old 11-26-2011, 06:31 PM   #12
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love n hate

Im 5.5k into a baja trip, got 20k on the clock, just finished 3 hard 100% off road days and no probs at all, the handling sucks and I wish I had got the cogent but when your crossing a desert performance is irrelevant compared to reliability as you well know im sure. My panniers are smashed to pieces, frames got a chunk missing from pannier mounting, licence plate tore off days ago, rear tires done, and the bikes caked in rock hard salty mud. Ive been swinging back n forth in my mind whilst riding, should I buy a new DR and farkle and get handling corrected or maybe go for the DRZ? Been riding with an xr650r, the clutch beearing seized, bike overheated twice, and ground shook loose disabling the headlights, its a better bike for power n handling but has issues as well. Another really weak point for the DR is the forks twisting in the tree, Ive wiped out on my YZ many times and never had to adjust them in the same way, its as if theyre made of chocolate. So thats the love n hate thing for me, reckon were all feeling various degrees of that, why cant suzuki make a really decent off road version, something thats more money but has factory handling and quality parts where theyre lacking, maybe we should petition them? or maybe thats going to be the 2014 model
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Old 11-26-2011, 07:50 PM   #13
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I don't know anything about the truthfulness of these rumors, but let's not forget that the DRZ has had cartridge forks for 10 years, and the DR350 had them for a few years before it. It's not new technology, and it would not be too hard for Suzuki to swap over to them.

I would be a bit surprised if they did, though..
Never going to happen for whatever reason.

The RMZ USD forks and triples bolt on to the DR.
The DRZ SM head light brackets fit like stock to those forks.
The DR650 fairing/headlight fits the DRZ SM brackets also like stock.
Suzuki could even put off road valving in the USD DRZ SM forks which would bolt up just like the RMZ items then retaining the 10 or so inch travel.
An adjustable rear shock OEM the same,not a problem for Suzuki but they never have done it even though bolt ons from available parts.

They probably could have sold quite a few DR650's with the DRZ SM wheel set as stock,never happened,never will.

At the end of the day the most likely single cylinder bike seen a long way from home out on the road or trail will still be a DR or KLR,'go figure.
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Old 11-26-2011, 08:25 PM   #14
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everyone should be convinced by now to get a TE630....
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Old 11-26-2011, 11:15 PM   #15
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everyone should be convinced by now to get a TE630....
Is that the BMW or Cagiva one that is not a 630.

You took a wrong turn from Jo Momma obviously.
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