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Old 11-10-2011, 10:11 AM   #1
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Tire Mousse: for dualsporting?

Done some searching but there is not a lot of info on dualsporting with tire mousse inserts. Neduro has posted some positive comments about the mefo mousse, as well as good detail about the michelin bib mousse during his Dakar testing & practice...

Im looking at using them on a 4-5000km expedition trip on wr250r's in northern canada.
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The trip will be mostly be gravel and slow riding, nothing above 70-80mph. Not having to carry tubes or tools to change them would be a huge bonus on this trip.

Im not looking to discuss tubliss vs tube vs mousse debate, just want solid info on using the mousse in dualsport type riding.

Has anyone every used mousse in a pirelli MT-43 tire?

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Old 11-11-2011, 01:36 PM   #2
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bump, has no one ever used a mousse dualsporting??
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Old 11-11-2011, 04:30 PM   #3
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Mousse? Sure, I use it all the time:


This?


Or this?
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Old 11-11-2011, 07:27 PM   #4
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He's talking about these...

http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com...T.ac=SLIsearch


FYI... No personal experience though.

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**Note: Specifically designed for off-road competition use for speeds up to 80 mph (130 km/h). Above this speed, heat build-up can lead to rapid destruction of the Bib Mousse, resulting in serious injury to the rider. Under no circumstances should Bib Mousse be fitted to motorcycles for on-road use. Because Bib Mousse is shaped for a perfect fit inside these Michelin tires, use of Bib Mousse with other brands of tires can lead to handling instability and possible destruction of Bib Mousse
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Old 11-11-2011, 09:31 PM   #5
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I'm not sure but i don't think they really hold up well for extended use, too many heat cycles not good for them, but again i am not positive of this.
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Old 11-11-2011, 10:37 PM   #6
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Not quite what you're asking, but....

I've been using Michelin mousse for the front tire on my trail bike for trail riding/racing in a Michelin S12. It's really nice, but I wouldn't expect it to hold up for your full trip. The 1000km of the destination road, yes, but not the there-and-back. Obviously, that type of tire wouldn't last but I'd be surprised if the foam lasted with any number of tires.

I haven't done it myself, but have seen the results of using mousse at 75mph on the street: rear tire meltdown/disintegration.


I really like the MT-43, but would not use it with mousse. It has terrible traction above 15 psi, 10-15 is ok, but not great. Below 10 it's excellent (except in slimy mud). I don't see a mousse with the correct size for the MT-43; it's really tall.
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Old 11-11-2011, 11:01 PM   #7
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Not quite what you're asking, but....

I've been using Michelin mousse for the front tire on my trail bike for trail riding/racing in a Michelin S12. It's really nice, but I wouldn't expect it to hold up for your full trip. The 1000km of the destination road, yes, but not the there-and-back. Obviously, that type of tire wouldn't last but I'd be surprised if the foam lasted with any number of tires.

I haven't done it myself, but have seen the results of using mousse at 75mph on the street: rear tire meltdown/disintegration.


I really like the MT-43, but would not use it with mousse. It has terrible traction above 15 psi, 10-15 is ok, but not great. Below 10 it's excellent (except in slimy mud). I don't see a mousse with the correct size for the MT-43; it's really tall.
I thought you might be right about the MT-43... I read on Neduro's road to dakar thread that he felt as though he would have no problem doing the TAT on Mefo mousse, maybe I can get him to chime in here...
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Old 11-11-2011, 11:20 PM   #8
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Keep in mind that when folks create something for racing purposes in regards to tires, they generally plan for 250-500 miles maximum. Most tires, when RACED, tend to be shot by then and a tire-change is planned into the route.

Just my experience, yours may vary!
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Old 11-11-2011, 11:54 PM   #9
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http://www.mx1west.com/mefo.aspx

http://www.michelin.co.uk/motorcycle...lin-bib-mousse

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http://www.technomousse.com/
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Old 11-12-2011, 05:08 AM   #10
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"Le mousse non sono omologate per utilizzo su strade aperte al pubblico. "

It means not DOT (or whatever else national traffic regulation departement) approved...

I'll buy them...
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Old 11-12-2011, 06:09 AM   #11
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bump, has no one ever used a mousse dualsporting??
Sure. I use them all the time with no problems. What started out to be an experiment, turned out to be a big success for me. I have been using mousse for years in the smaller bikes, so I know most things about them. But when I got my KTM690, I had some questions about sustained high speeds and also the rim was wider than what they use on the rally bikes. So, I got hold on an used mousse which came from Pål Anders Ullevålseter he had been using on one of the stages when he took the 2nd place in the 2010 Dakar. Remember, it's the rally mousse and not the usual ones for MX / Enduro bikes. When mounted, my rear looked like a trials tire and the grip is unreal. In fact it's too good because it hooks too much on the gravel turns and I can't let go of the rear I am used too. Just like a trials tire. So I had to change the riding style slightly. Ok, so how does it wear? As I was given this mousse for free, I just gave it some hard time. Sustained speeds more than 80mph making the tire extremely hot. Lots of mixed riding and I didn't give it some thoughts at all. So when it was time for a tire change, I expected to find it to be damaged in some way. But no! It looked exactly when I installed it in first place. Ok, so the second tire went on. It has been this now since May, and I'm on my fifth rear with the same mousse. I just finished a bigger Enduro race in Sweden with the 690, and the mousse was in there of course. I had extremely good traction on the slick rocks, so it went pretty good.

Remember, it's the rally edition. I don't remember exactly, but maybe the model is Micheling BIb mousse M02. Always Michelins. I have tried some other brands earlier, but none in the near of how the Mich works. I haven't tried Mefo's. Maybe they are good enough. What I like to try now, is that teknomousse made in Italy, but I have emailed them with no success and there are one dealers for them up here. Any kind Italian helping hand in here?

For the front I am using also a Bib mousse. ALWAYS!

So, earlier I was scared about the rumours that it was going to melt / dissolve or something, so I stayed away. But after trying it in dual sporting, I am very positive and also a bit surprised how well it works and lasts. It seems that I can have one for the whole year, and then the cost is not a factor at all. I'd say you should just go for it.
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Old 11-12-2011, 06:26 AM   #12
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we are using the bib mousse for the baja 1000 and are running mousse in most of the bikes during preride but most of the riding is off road and very little on highway. the mousse stand up well but do get a bit softer over time. there are 2 things that we have found that are important to make the mousse last in the tires. make sure you use the lube that comes with the mousse and work it into the mousse as the directions tell you. secondly make sure the inner carcus of the tire you are going to use the mousse in is smooth. it you compare a Michelin to some others you will see a difference. it seem the rougher the inside of the tire the more heat build up and this shortens the life of the mousse.
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Old 11-12-2011, 07:17 AM   #13
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No personal experience, but Michelin's disclaimer is:

"**Note: Specifically designed for off-road competition use for speeds up to 80 mph (130 km/h). Above this speed, heat build-up can lead to rapid destruction of the Bib Mousse, resulting in serious injury to the rider. Under no circumstances should Bib Mousse be fitted to motorcycles for on-road use. Because Bib Mousse is shaped for a perfect fit inside these Michelin tires, use of Bib Mousse with other brands of tires can lead to handling instability and possible destruction of Bib Mousse"
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Old 11-12-2011, 07:34 AM   #14
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I use mousse, almost exclusively.

I have recently switched to Mefo mousses, because we (MX1WEST) are now importing them. Previously I had used Michelin. The Mefo seem to hold up better, and are available in more sizes. I had good luck running them in Maxxis Desert IT's, which are my favorite tire for my KTM 525 rally bike.

On one set of mousse I have logged a 3 day rally school (about 6-700 miles) plus the 1000 miles Kings of the West non-event this year. Mostly high-speed two-track. When I removed the tires, the mousses were still in good shape, so back in they went for another (3rd) set of tires. Just added more lube with each tire change. Also, running rim locks to prevent slipping (heat).

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Old 11-12-2011, 07:40 AM   #15
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On higher speed tarmac they will increase in temperature causing below picture to happen. I've seen them disintegrate causing the tire to break bead.
This particular one was pulled off a D908 with 60% life left on the tire, it was all dirt mileage.

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