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Old 09-22-2014, 10:33 AM   #1
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CB-X 500 development thread index - FAQ

edit. 21st March 2015

At the time of writing, as we approach 75,000 views and over 560 individual posts in this thread, we thought it was probably a good idea to try and condense the project into bite-sized chunks for any new readers who have not been following on from the beginning - a ‘cliff notes’ as it were?

This thread originally started back in September 2014, when some of KTMmitch’s posts were trimmed from the main CB500X thread and condensed here - forcing us to concentrate our feedback and development programme in a dedicated thread - which fortunately most people on the main thread are now aware of ;o)

With the bike making it’s public debut tomorrow in London at the annual Ace Cafe Overland Day one-day event - albeit still in pre-production form (photo below from last weekend) - we have effectively wrapped up our initial development during these past six months, and will now be concentrating on production, and ultimately there will be a new and dedicated Vendor thread talking specifically about the production kit and accessories, together with our future developments and introductions.

So below is a list of links to what we consider are/were the key points in the development process - that help to explain the concept of the bike, together with the reasons why our development has led to the ultimate specification we have chosen. I’ve also tried to select posts that have photos to illustrate the various aspects - after all we all love photos!

On the whole I have included both our initial posts/plans from early on, together with more recent updates as we got closer to finalising the production spec - obviously the later posts are the more defining answer, but we feel it important (as a summary of the development) to show the process we went through to reach this stage.

One key question being asked now that production is imminent is ‘how can we buy it?’ - and in that regard it is worth noting here that while everything will be available to order in the usual manner online directly from the Rally Raid Products UK web-shop, we will also have a dedicated US distributor for North America - having partnered with soft-luggage specialists Giant Loop.

Ultimately will also be appointing a dedicated Australian distributor over the summer - both of which will be able to offer excellent customer service and a useful saving in international shipping costs for the consumer.

In the meantime, please feel free to continue asking any specific questions in relation to a particular post... and it would be helpful if you could also include the original post number too (top right # in the black header section at the top of each individual post).

Hopefully the links below will help make navigation of what is rapidly becoming a monster of thread more simple for future reference…

Thank you again for all your support in this project!

Jenny & John.


edit. added 8th April 2015

NEW specific FAQs with regard to the Production Specification CB500X Adventure kit and associated options & accessories (including suggested retail prices in GBP and USD): post #699 http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=699



photo. Rally Raid Products’ pre-production CB-X 500 Adventure test bike 15th March 2015

FAQ. with links to key posts:

• Initial summary of the project (24th Sept 2014) post #19 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...2&postcount=19

• revision on 23rd Dec 2014 post #213 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=213 and #229 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=229 and #276 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=276 and #296 http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=296

• summary as of 14th Feb 2015 post #331- http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=331


• wheel size development and clearance issues post #30 - #32 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...9&postcount=30 plus #39 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...0&postcount=39 and #59 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...2&postcount=59 and #176 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=176 and #224 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=224 and #300 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=300


• realistic suspension (travel) expectations post #35 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...5&postcount=35 and #160 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=160 and #168 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=168 and #226 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=226


• why a 18/21” combo and USD forks is technically & financially unrealistic post #45 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...9&postcount=45 and #217 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=217 and #444 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=444


• Initial development of soft-luggage racks post #51 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...0&postcount=51 and #73 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...6&postcount=73 and #151 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=151 and #177 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=177 and #505 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=505


• will (some of these) modifications work with the CB-F and CBR-R, and what if I have ABS? #57 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...1&postcount=57 and #87 http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...6&postcount=87 and #276 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=276 and #425 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=425 and #434 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=434 and #441 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=441


• swapping between road and Adventure wheels? post #65 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...1&postcount=65 and #263 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=263


• nerd alert! machining our first set of pre-production hubs post #77 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...5&postcount=77 and #138 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=138
• 3D printing of prototype parts post #335 and #336 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=335
• machining our fork damping shim-stack post #422 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=422
• RRP fork internal parts post #465 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=465
• billet rear suspension linkage post #471 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=471
• tensile testing the Adventure billet linkage post #547 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=547


• why we have chose the [recommended] tyres sizes we have… post #86 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...7&postcount=86 and #244 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=244 and #354 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=354 and #358 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=358


• will my speedo reading be affected by the new wheels? post #99 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...6&postcount=99


• what about a high-level exhaust option? post #101 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=101


• what will the weight difference between the standard and Adventure kit be? post #118 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=118


• centre stand issues, and our alternative post #121 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=121 and #125 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=125 and #223 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=223 and #272 http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=272 and #411 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=411 and #459 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=459


• incorporating hard luggage, such as a top box #131 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=131 and #372 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=372 and #377 http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=377 and #521 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=521


• off-road ability of the bike (see also the testing & evaluation section below) - #136 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=136 and #511 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=511


• is it worth tuning the engine? post #157 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=157 and #162 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=162


• will I be able to use different handlebars with the Adventure kit? post #174 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=174 and #343 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=343


• 21st December 2014: Initial test mule testing & evaluation post #190 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=190 and #196 - #199 http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=196 and #205 http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=205 and #237 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=237 and #378 (24th Feb 2015) - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=378

• 15th March 2015: final shake-down road-testing pre-production post #508 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=508 and #510 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=510 and #517 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=517


• Adventure engine guard development post #211 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=211 and #446 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=446 and #453 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=453 and #473 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=473 and #490 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=490 and #495 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=495


• dedicated US distributor appointed: Giant Loop (and debut of CB-X 500 Adventure kit to the US market at the Overland Expo in Arizona 15-17th May 2015) post #253 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=253 and #415 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=415 and #417 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=417 and #498 http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=498


• plans for dedicated Australian distributor too... post #256 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=256 and #286 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=286 and #463 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=463


• dedicated UK fitting centre appointed: ride-in ride-out service post #259 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=259


• what if I’m short and/or don’t want to raise the suspension? post #300 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=300 and #338 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=338 and #425 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=425 and #529 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=529 and #556 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=556


• final ‘Adventure’ suspension development post#304 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=304 & #306 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=306 and #315 & 317 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=315 and #320 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=320


• will I be able to fit the Adventure wheels and suspension myself, in a home garage/workshop? post #318 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=317 and #398 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=398 and in more detail, post #552 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=552


• integrated steering damper mount on Adventure top triple-clamp post #361 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=361


• summary of the CB-X 500 Adventure kit specification: (18th Feb 2015) post #365 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=365 and #386 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=386 and #400 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=400 and as of (15th March 2015) post #509 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=509


• what about a high front fender option? post #383 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=383


• comparison between RRP CB-X 500 Adventure and Yamaha XT660Z Tenere post #531 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=531


• Will the CB500X Adventure wheels and suspension also fit on the Honda NC700X / NC750X? post #713 - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=713

Phew! - although I imagine that should help a lot!



edit. added 2nd April 2015:

Detailed kit descriptions and official retail prices in GBP inc. 20% VAT and USD (no tax):

• LEVEL 1 upgraded standard ride-height/travel suspension kit: post #648 http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=648

• LEVEL 2 long-travel Adventure suspension kit: post #649 http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=649

• LEVEL 3 complete CB500X Adventure kit: post #650 http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=650

• CB500X Adventure accessories (available at launch): post #651 http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=651



Original post from 22nd September 2014:

The prototype wheels for our Motoden Honda CB500X arrived today from Talon Engineering, and it took just a couple of hours to fit them in, using new machined spacers to suit the billet hubs.
The front is a 19" rim, and the rear an 18", but we will probably use a 17" as standard so as to keep the seat height reasonable.
This will allow a wider choice of trail rubbber for those wishing to take this bike on the trails.
The next step is to production cnc machine the special rear hub so that can be used with the OEM rear cush drive
The tyres fitted are a bit narrow for the rims, but it was all we had today, but will fit wider rubber later.
Note that we have retained the OEM discs and ABS sensor rings.





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Old 09-22-2014, 11:04 AM   #2
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Man that rear tire is SUPER skinny though. Funny to see. This is looking great! Definitely interested to see what the 17/19 setup looks like.
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Awesome! Those look great. Do you have a ballpark idea of the possible availability date?
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Awesome! Those look great. Do you have a ballpark idea of the possible availability date?
i would expect finished billet wheel sets to be ready by end of the year, along with a range of other adventure parts, aluminium bash plate, front fender adaptor to raise it up, improved rear shock and fork extension/damping kit.
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i would expect finished billet wheel sets to be ready by end of the year, along with a range of other adventure parts, aluminium bash plate, front fender adaptor to raise it up, improved rear shock and fork extension/damping kit.
AWESOME!

You've just moved the 500X into the #1 spot for a replacement for my recently wrecked GS
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i would expect finished billet wheel sets to be ready by end of the year, along with a range of other adventure parts, aluminium bash plate, front fender adaptor to raise it up, improved rear shock and fork extension/damping kit.
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Any idea if they would also fit the NC700x?
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i would expect finished billet wheel sets to be ready by end of the year, along with a range of other adventure parts, aluminium bash plate, front fender adaptor to raise it up, improved rear shock and fork extension/damping kit.

Mitch, will your bash plate fit with a Honda OEM center stand?
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i would expect finished billet wheel sets to be ready by end of the year, along with a range of other adventure parts, aluminium bash plate, front fender adaptor to raise it up, improved rear shock and fork extension/damping kit.

Mitch, will your bash plate fit with a Honda OEM center stand?
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i would expect finished billet wheel sets to be ready by end of the year, along with a range of other adventure parts, aluminium bash plate, front fender adaptor to raise it up, improved rear shock and fork extension/damping kit.

Mitch, will your bash plate fit with a Honda OEM center stand?
If I might answer on his behalf - KTMmitch and I talked about this only yesterday!

Yes is the short answer [edit. Ha, as John has just replied above!] - the idea is produce a range of parts that are certainly compatible with the current Honda OEM accessories - and quite possibly the vast majority of aftermarket alternative parts such as centre stands and luggage racks that owners have already fitted...

Certainly we are aware that there are a large number of existing owners who have already started to modify their bikes, and we don't want potential customers having to abandon accessories they have already purchased and fitted if they don't have to...

However, at the same time, we trust that potential customers would also agree that we wouldn't want to compromise on our own designs if it is fundamentally compromised to try and fit it around other manufacturers accessories (either aftermarket or OEM)?

That said, the initial product line (as KTMmitch describes above) will essentially be unique to RRP in any case - that is the 'Adventure' conversion using bespoke wheels and suspension... and as the catalogue of parts and accessories expands, we will ensure that any modifications are both reversible, and that they integrate seamlessly with each other; and wherever feasible also utilise as many of the OEM parts as possible - not just to keep the initial costs down, but so that spares, servicing and any warranty issues are kept as simple as possible.

In addition, where we do also produce our own version of accessories already commercially available (such as skid plate/s, luggage racks and exhausts for example), we will of course endeavour to improve upon any existing designs - and trust that once the full catalogue of Rally Raid Products for the CB500X is available, potential purchasers will consider it a one-stop-shop for the definitive range of accessories for this bike, in much the same way that their extensive range of parts for the KTM 690 has developed.

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Thanks guys. I will patiently await the CB500X bash plate and other compatible accessories you come up with.
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i would expect finished billet wheel sets to be ready by end of the year, along with a range of other adventure parts, aluminium bash plate, front fender adaptor to raise it up, improved rear shock and fork extension/damping kit.
Peg relocation kit for tall riders.. Forward and down 1.5 inches.. 2 if possible. Taller suspension should help with this.
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Any idea if they would also fit the NC700x?
Yes, nearly the same exact wheel/tire fitment measurements.
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i would expect finished billet wheel sets to be ready by end of the year, along with a range of other adventure parts, aluminium bash plate, front fender adaptor to raise it up, improved rear shock and fork extension/damping kit.
Wow, those are all the things I was thinking I would like on my bike when I was riding over 15 miles of dirt the other day...wheels, suspension and engine protection. Can't wait to see the finished product.
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