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View Results: Would you consider participating in a group buy?
Yes, if the price is right. 13 86.67%
No, these cartridges are way to expensive. 0 0%
No, USD forks will work so much better 2 13.33%
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Old 11-29-2011, 12:11 PM   #16
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It's an open poll, you can see who has voted for what. Haven't had a response yet. I might have to ring them up and speak to them in their native tongue.
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Old 11-29-2011, 06:08 PM   #17
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I already have RaceTech cartridge emulators matched with Wilbers Progressive Fork Springs and they do a REALLY good job, but there is ALWAYS room for improvement
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Old 11-29-2011, 06:28 PM   #18
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This is a German company.



I don't think they are affiliated with the other Race Tech.
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Old 12-01-2011, 11:39 PM   #19
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Update

I had no reply from my email to HH Race Tech, so I rang up a few minutes ago and managed to get hold of the owner. We had an interesting discussion, which would have been even more interesting to someone who actually knows the technical side of suspensions.

He told me that HPN is now buying the cartridge inserts from him, as they are better than what they had before. However, HPN wants them set up for 10weight oil instead of 5, as apparently it's easier to get the 10.

The cartridges can be adjusted for pre-load, compression and rebound.

Now the bad news. The maximum discount he will give us is 10%. If we get around ten people to buy them. He also needs to sort out whether he can deduct the German sales tax from the 700 Euro for shipments overseas.

I have decided to buy them if I can get them without the sales tax, even if the group buy won't go ahead. The 10% would be the icing on the cake and probably cover the freight to NZ.

A decent rear shock costs about this much and by using the cartridges I can keep the stock look. I don't really want to mess with that too much, as the R80GS Basic is a little bit special.

So, the next step would be firm expressions of interest with the condition that we don't have to pay the German tax and do get the 10% discount.

Let me know if your are interested. You can post it here or pm me, best to do both. He wants to investigate the tax issue and needs to know which countries he is going to ship to.

For those of you who also ride an F800GS, he makes inserts for those as well and they are supposed to work extremely well.

I hope that covers it.
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Old 12-02-2011, 12:38 AM   #20
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Hello all,
I'd like to be in on this. And if HPN is buying these things, they must be fairly good, right?
Nonetheless I like this solution over all the extra work to install a USD fork....
From what I recall in the past, German business do not collect VAT on sales to overseas-so that shouldn't be an issue for him. That takes care of 19%, then another 10%- not bad, but shipping is going to cost a fair amount I'm sure.
How would a group purchase work? Do we call him up individually and place an order, stating that we are from ADVrider...?
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Old 12-02-2011, 06:28 AM   #21
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Tell me a price. That will decide if I'm interested or not ...
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Old 12-02-2011, 11:22 AM   #22
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Tell me a price. That will decide if I'm interested or not ...
I'll do the maths for you. 700 euro minus 19% should be 567 Euro. Subtract 10% from that should take you to 510.3 Euro. Plus freight, and any tax or duty you'll have to pay.

Of course, this will only happen if he can work out how to clear it with the German tax department. I think he may have been selling mainly within the Euro zone and tax breaks may not apply there.
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Old 12-02-2011, 11:33 AM   #23
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Of course, this will only happen if he can work out how to clear it with the German tax department.
He's making too big a thing out of that. Any european who has sold to someone outside of europe knows you don't charge VAT. It's a simple matter of just not charging you tax. I've ordered from plenty of places in europe and they all knew not to charge me VAT and didn't.
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Old 12-02-2011, 11:58 AM   #24
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He's making too big a thing out of that. Any european who has sold to someone outside of europe knows you don't charge VAT. It's a simple matter of just not charging you tax. I've ordered from plenty of places in europe and they all knew not to charge me VAT and didn't.
I agree with you and I am not trying to defend him. My guess is that he not normally deals with this. However, I do think there is a little bit more to it on his side. He will have to consolidate the sale with the taxman. There obviously needs to be some form of proof that the goods will leave the country.
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Old 12-02-2011, 02:12 PM   #25
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He'll have the proof on the bill of sale & destination of shipment. Sometimes the owner of a business is not the best one to talk with about things like shipping...just saying.

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As of today 510.30 Euros is $687.02 USA

Yeah I'm interested, but I need a solid confirmed price.

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I agree with you and I am not trying to defend him. My guess is that he not normally deals with this. However, I do think there is a little bit more to it on his side. He will have to consolidate the sale with the taxman. There obviously needs to be some form of proof that the goods will leave the country.
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Old 12-02-2011, 05:29 PM   #26
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Yes I would do $700USD for sure. <--
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Old 12-08-2011, 09:54 AM   #27
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Shipping to the USA and then re-shipping to South Africa will add another $100 on top of the price.
Too high for me, I'm afraid.
It would be cheaper to order directly without the discount and have it sent to me first off.
Sorry guys!
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Old 12-08-2011, 10:12 AM   #28
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Shipping to the USA and then re-shipping to South Africa will add another $100 on top of the price.
Too high for me, I'm afraid.
It would be cheaper to order directly without the discount and have it sent to me first off.
Sorry guys!
Why would you want to ship to the US first? Makes no sense to me.
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Old 12-08-2011, 10:14 AM   #29
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any news???? Price without VAT???
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Old 12-08-2011, 11:02 AM   #30
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any news???? Price without VAT???
I'll ring him again tonight. They're exactly 12hours behind us. I am a bit disappointed with how slow his response it.
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