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Old 06-26-2012, 12:49 PM   #181
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...what the knit whit fails to realize is that bikes are cubic centimeters not inches so he made a half assed attempt to use a automotive analogy
Make sure you don't fill your American-market motorcycle in Canada. They use liters, not gallons!

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Old 06-26-2012, 02:37 PM   #182
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Someone is getting 58 mpg.
Actually, I got 66 mpg on this trip here...

http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=797288

One of my customers got 67 on his EXC so...2 data points.

I just put a JD Jetting tuner box on the bike & preliminary numbers look alike a slight decrease to maybe 60 ish. Need more data.

The JD settings (it comes set up for an EXC / XCW) are just slightly richer in all "modes" (RPM ranges) by maybe 5-10%.

Bike does seem to run smoother at all RPMs, tho.

And, BTW, my local dealer has no 13 L stock & agrees that the tank is BO.

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Old 06-26-2012, 06:40 PM   #183
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It's spelled nit-wit.
You can't even spell beyond a third grade level.

You do know that you can convert centimeters to cubic inches, right?

If you start with 510 CC's (or 31 cubic inches) (since we are talking about the 500 EXC) then even if you bored out the 510 to the maximum (no replacement for displacement) one could still spend more money to build an engine that would hands down beat a bored out 500 EXC (since one of the first things someone would do to gain HP is to bore it out).

There are still motorcycle manufacturers that use cubic inches vice centimeters to measure engine displacement.

Finally, both of the quotes "no replacement for displacement" and "cubic dollars will beat cubic inches every time" come from the automotive world (but they are not exclusive to the automotive world), I heard Don Gartlits and Mario Andretti say the same thing at Ontario Motor Speedway on afternoon when I was in the pits for autograph signing back in the mid 70's.

As far as your reading and comprehension skills, they are lacking.

I was not the one who originally use the "automotive terminology", that was this guy:

"Originally Posted by SteveO
Well put; there is no replacement for displacement...."

I answered his "automotive terminology" humorous post with the correct "automotive terminology" humorous response.

Nothing more, nothing less.

It's YOU nit-wits that can't deal with it.



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Mudd for brains was trying to be funny but what the knit whit fails to realize is that bikes are cubic centimeters not inches so he made a half assed attempt to use a automotive analogy "That already exhist's" on motorcycles. Judging from his statemnt he doesn't even know what he said. No that is funny

Then to top it off he completly misunderstood my statement Ill try wording it differently to see this will help " it takes more cash to get more CC's and if you dont have the cash for more you get what you can afford and if that was the case this topic within this thread it was a waste of time "

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Old 06-26-2012, 07:02 PM   #184
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If you start with 510 CC's (or 31 cubic inches) (since we are talking about the 500 EXC) then even if you bored out the 510 to the maximum (no replacement for displacement) one could still spend more money to build an engine that would hands down beat a bored out 500 EXC (since one of the first things someone would do to gain HP is to bore it out).
Sure, the first thing that you do is start with a bigger displacement engine

Displacement, volumetric efficiency, effective compression and RPM. Those are the focal points for making HP. Regardless of money, you con only do so much with the last 3. From there...no replacement for displacement. Relatively cheap and damned effective.
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Old 06-26-2012, 07:08 PM   #185
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Has anybody heard anything from any of the Gas-Tank manufacturers about a 4-gallon tank?

The 5.3 gallon tank "L K S" like a smaller tank, but I'm sure the 6.5 lbs per gallon of fuel can be felt on the bike when trying to get into single track. The standard tank's 2.2 gallons is weighin in with about 13lbs of fuel. Going to the 5.3 gallon would add an additional 19.5lbs of weight, which is not light by any standard when trying to flick the bike around....

I'm hoping that a 4-gallon tank comes out soon; I've rather have the 7lbs of additional weight than 19.5lbs....
edit: corrected the weight of fuel
Didn't you consider that you could put 4g of fuel in the bigger tank?

Or 2.2g? Or 3.5g?

Guys just can't resist fillin them up I guess?

As to a 3g option, sounds like just the right amount for a 2 hour scrambles. 2.2 will do a 1.5 hour race on my 570 Burg. I doubt another lap would be possible though.
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Old 06-27-2012, 05:50 AM   #186
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Didn't you consider that you could put 4g of fuel in the bigger tank?

Or 2.2g? Or 3.5g?


Arrrgghhhhhh, it's no wonder I'm not an engineer...
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Old 06-27-2012, 08:18 AM   #187
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Arrrgghhhhhh, it's no wonder I'm not an engineer...
Don't worry. According to an engineer, that tank would then have excess capacity and the design would be considered "flawed".
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Old 06-27-2012, 08:52 AM   #188
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Actually, I got 66 mpg on this trip here...

http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=797288

One of my customers got 67 on his EXC so...2 data points.

I just put a JD Jetting tuner box on the bike & preliminary numbers look alike a slight decrease to maybe 60 ish. Need more data.

The JD settings (it comes set up for an EXC / XCW) are just slightly richer in all "modes" (RPM ranges) by maybe 5-10%.

Bike does seem to run smoother at all RPMs, tho.

And, BTW, my local dealer has no 13 L stock & agrees that the tank is BO.

thanks for the info. I thought I was good at 52 MPG that is fantastic!
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Old 06-27-2012, 09:15 AM   #189
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It's spelled nit-wit.
You can't even spell beyond a third grade level.

You do know that you can convert centimeters to cubic inches, right?

If you start with 510 CC's (or 31 cubic inches) (since we are talking about the 500 EXC) then even if you bored out the 510 to the maximum (no replacement for displacement) one could still spend more money to build an engine that would hands down beat a bored out 500 EXC (since one of the first things someone would do to gain HP is to bore it out).

There are still motorcycle manufacturers that use cubic inches vice centimeters to measure engine displacement.

Finally, both of the quotes "no replacement for displacement" and "cubic dollars will beat cubic inches every time" come from the automotive world (but they are not exclusive to the automotive world), I heard Don Gartlits and Mario Andretti say the same thing at Ontario Motor Speedway on afternoon when I was in the pits for autograph signing back in the mid 70's.

As far as your reading and comprehension skills, they are lacking.

I was not the one who originally use the "automotive terminology", that was this guy:

"Originally Posted by SteveO
Well put; there is no replacement for displacement...."

I answered his "automotive terminology" humorous post with the correct "automotive terminology" humorous response.

Nothing more, nothing less.

It's YOU nit-wits that can't deal with it.



Done.
Stop stop your hurting my feelings!


Im going to go ahead ands send you a PM so we can keep this CRAP out out of an otherwise good thread!
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Old 06-28-2012, 05:55 AM   #190
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Don't worry. According to an engineer, that tank would then have excess capacity and the design would be considered "flawed".

Well, considering that the KTM tank will be on back order until August, at the earliest, I'm going to get the Acerbis 5.3 Gallon tank and just put a couple of gallons when single tracking....... Should have thought of that earlier...
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Old 06-28-2012, 08:44 AM   #191
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More Testing

Went out & tested a few bike mods yesterday with a BRP local. His BRP was reborn after some ahh....altercations. I had added a new JD Jetting tune box to the 500 EXC. We got in 225 mi from my house. Not bad for starting at noon. Only a few pics due to unwillingness to slow down. This was all at 4500 to 9400 ft altitude.

There were incidents of Orange abuse spotted in upper Red Creek...



Timber canyon, etc...



Much smoke n ash from the sadness down south...



Meditating at the turn to head back north. Note Kev pensing in the shade..



Unlike others who have installed the JD box, I don't feel a big "surge" in power. Maybe it is the altitude. I do notice that it seems to run smoother in all conditions. Have not yet deviated from the original JD settings for the EXC.

And the mileage dropped to 55 mpg from 66 w/o the box. As suspected but still tolerable. Physics.

(Note - My old BRP would get 40 mpg. Kev's get less do to a pumper carb mod. Fun but...)

Also, I put 3.4 gal into the 3.4 gal tank for 185 miles. Still running but for how long.

Been running 13 / 45 cogs since the early days. Highway rides are inevitable between the dirt around here & 75 mph works but ....

I am going to try the 14/45 combo again for this type of riding. The 13/45 works really well in tight single track but this bike runs well on the low end & I think it can do well with 1 tooth up. Next...

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Old 06-30-2012, 01:03 PM   #192
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The purpose of this thread is to summarize the setup of a 500 EXC into a lightweight dual sport machine. This was a major reason for my purchase of this


I think the 500exc is a lightweight dual sport machine.
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Old 07-26-2012, 07:49 PM   #193
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Anybody have a parts list?

I need the part numbers for the four plastic lenses in the dash, FI, Fuel Level, Brights, and Turn Signal. I screwed up when I was installing the HDB computer protector and broke them. Ironic given the protector is supposed to keep that from happening. I am a dork.

Any help with part numbers would be appreciated.

This is a great forum and has been very helpful.

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Old 07-27-2012, 11:12 PM   #194
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Well, considering that the KTM tank will be on back order until August, at the earliest, I'm going to get the Acerbis 5.3 Gallon tank and just put a couple of gallons when single tracking....... Should have thought of that earlier...
What is the verdict on the 5.3g tank?

Does anyone have any experience putting one on the 500 XCW?
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Old 07-27-2012, 11:33 PM   #195
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Ha funny you should mention that

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What is the verdict on the 5.3g tank?

Does anyone have any experience putting one on the 500 XCW?
I have had both the KTM 13L and now the Acerbis
20L. There are no issue putting either on a XCW.
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