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Old 12-03-2011, 09:49 PM   #1
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Quick airhead oil change q

My oil change kits (part 11 00 8 056 146) includes this stuff:



My clymers makes no mention of what I'm supposed to do with the black seal/o-ring. It's an 88 R100RS w/ oil cooler.

Thank you in advance.
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Old 12-04-2011, 12:27 AM   #2
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This may help

http://www.maxbmwmotorcycles.com/fic...4&rnd=03252011

also post 67 here

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...=169507&page=5
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Old 12-04-2011, 12:30 AM   #3
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The black square section seal goes in a groove inside the filter cover.
It's obvious where it goes once you take the cover off.
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Old 12-04-2011, 06:35 AM   #4
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If there's one inside the cover where the filter is then replace it with the new one. If there is no black seal inside then through it away. Oil filter kits for a lot of vehicles today are made to fit several different models and or years. There will often be extra parts. This applies to oil filter "kits" and other "kits" I have seen.

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Old 12-04-2011, 07:31 AM   #5
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Thanks all! Just what I needed.
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Old 12-04-2011, 08:41 AM   #6
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Yes, do heed Joerg's advice in post #67. I had a similar movement in the oil filter tube this past summer and now use two shims.
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Old 12-05-2011, 07:04 AM   #7
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Play it safe on a new-to-you-bike. Rather than put back in what gaskets and o-rings were there, check to make sure it was done correctly in the first place. Anton Largiader's site has a good section on BMW oil filters: http://largiader.com/ .
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Old 12-05-2011, 07:44 AM   #8
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What he said - when I brought my ST home and changed fluids, the white $3K o-ring(inflation value adjusted ) and shim were reversed and the cannister had been close to cutting the o-ring.
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Old 12-05-2011, 08:09 AM   #9
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What Bill and Mark said. This is much better than just following somebody else's tracks. I've adjusted my attitude. Thanks.

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Old 12-05-2011, 09:42 AM   #10
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FWIW it's a quad ring.

Your (useless) Clymers also doesn't tell you that you won't use the paper gasket, and if your internal oil filter canister has a roll-over edge, you won't use the metal shim either.
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Old 12-05-2011, 10:26 AM   #11
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FWIW it's a quad ring.

Your (useless) Clymers also doesn't tell you that you won't use the paper gasket, and if your internal oil filter canister has a roll-over edge, you won't use the metal shim either.
That all depends on if the setup needs them. There is no cut and dry answer to that question. Use a paper gasket on any airhead if the O-ring is pinched too much without one and use a shim or shims on any airhead even if it is a later model that doesn't HAVE to have one that needs the O-ring pinched a bit more. That and/or minus the paper gasket. What they ALWAYS need is the right combo that gets the right squeeze on the O-ring. The O-ring needs just barley flattened.
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Old 12-05-2011, 07:11 PM   #12
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I had my GS puke it's oil overboard on the first ride I ever took on it - within a kilometre of my home. Not a good way to introduce yourself to the BMW brand - the reason was that the PO incorrectly installed a paper gasket under the filter cap on my GS. It shouldn't have had a paper gasket installed and I never used one in every subsequent filter change. No issues since.
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Old 12-06-2011, 01:20 PM   #13
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I had my GS puke it's oil overboard on the first ride I ever took on it - within a kilometre of my home. Not a good way to introduce yourself to the BMW brand - the reason was that the PO incorrectly installed a paper gasket under the filter cap on my GS. It shouldn't have had a paper gasket installed and I never used one in every subsequent filter change. No issues since.
My point is that it all depends on the bike's particular filter can/filter cover setup. It sounds like your white O-ring isn't pinched too much without the gasket. Some are. It all depends. The real issue had nothing to do with an improperly installed paper cover gasket. If it was installed correctly, no oil would have gone overboard. If the paper filter was installed correctly and the white O-ring was sufficiently crushed, it would work perfectly with a paper gasket. If the paper filter cover gasket was installed correctly and the white O-ring was not sufficiently crushed, the oil would have leaked inside of the engine and the only symptom would be low oil pressure. Of course, that scenario can happen with a paper filter cover gasket if the white O-ring is crushed too much and suffers a tear for it. Whether or not a bike gets a paper cover gasket all depends on what the white O-ring needs. Nothing else.

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Old 12-06-2011, 09:14 PM   #14
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Remove the guesswork on whether the white o-ring is too pinched or not. Carefully measure the oil canister depth and move on from there. You will then know how many shims are needed and if the paper gasket is required.
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