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Old 02-28-2015, 05:45 AM   #1
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Starter cover question

Seems like a ridicilous question but I gotta ask. ;
The starter cover on the PD and the bumblebee always came right off with the 2 bolts holding it down. I could then change an airfilter in 5 minutes or less.

On the 1980 RT it seems like the only way to change the airfilter is to loosen very much the airbox bolts (all 3) AND the cover so it will come up.

So in other words the snorkel off, then the airfilter, then the 3 bolts of the breather box, THEN the starter cover can be removed because the starter cover is jammed inbetween the airbox and front of the engine when all bolted back down.

I am just wondering is it me, or was there any difference in starter covers and air boxes between years and possibly I have a mixture of the 2 that aint right?
1980 model;


Other models...look the same but are they dimensionally different?


All the starter covers and all the air boxes look the same to me from the 70's through the 90's with the exception of the newer ones having the large round holes in them for hoses to run through.

And yes I have it facing the correct way with the fin at front.

I don't mean to make threats but if I dont get some input here I'm pluggin in the grinder.
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Old 02-28-2015, 06:55 AM   #2
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You have to pull the starter cover to change the air filter? Mine is a '78, I go through the air cleaner covers. I thought the updated plastic box made things easier?
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Old 02-28-2015, 01:01 PM   #3
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I use K&N's.... they require the back edge of the starter cover to be ground off . That so the filters' forward sealing lip will cover the airbox base . Sure about the 93, pretty sure the 84 was same .
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Old 02-28-2015, 02:00 PM   #4
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You have to pull the starter cover to change the air filter? Mine is a '78, I go through the air cleaner covers. I thought the updated plastic box made things easier?
No on the PD and bumblebee you don't, just snap off the clips and slide the snorkel and air filter out then reverse the steps. Thats partly why I feel something is amiss.

But I've checked around and they seem identical.

I was just asking the forum in case there is some weird detail...a change in some millimeters at a certain year and thats my issue or something.
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Old 02-28-2015, 02:02 PM   #5
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I use K&N's.... they require the back edge of the starter cover to be ground off . That so the filters' forward sealing lip will cover the airbox base . Sure about the 93, pretty sure the 84 was same .
Ok well that said, I may just take a couple of millimeters off the back end. Sounds like you have had to do that and it doesnt look like it will create any issues at all so I'm on it.

I know it must be lined up right because the 2 bolts can only line up or not line up so the position of the cover has no variance. Maybe my air box is bent or cockeyed or who knows what the hell.
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Old 02-28-2015, 06:35 PM   #6
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I use K&N's.... they require the back edge of the starter cover to be ground off . That so the filters' forward sealing lip will cover the airbox base.
Or you gouge a line out of the filter that allows it to seat correctly.
Sorry about the diversion...and hopefully this should not start a K&N thread......

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Old 03-01-2015, 05:48 AM   #7
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The starter covers are identical in dimension for all post-1980 Airheads. You should be able to just pop off the spring clips, remove the cover with snorkels and wiggle out the air filter. There must be something blocking it (wiring, cables etc.).

I bought an R65 starter cover off eBay to replace the Swiss-cheesed cover from my 1995 R100R which formerly had the SLS and "SHED" systems. It fit perfectly. It's the same part number as all the other Airheads from the era. The only one different is the one with all the holes in it.
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Old 03-01-2015, 06:21 AM   #8
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The starter covers are identical in dimension for all post-1980 Airheads. You should be able to just pop off the spring clips, remove the cover with snorkels and wiggle out the air filter. There must be something blocking it (wiring, cables etc.).

I bought an R65 starter cover off eBay to replace the Swiss-cheesed cover from my 1995 R100R which formerly had the SLS and "SHED" systems. It fit perfectly. It's the same part number as all the other Airheads from the era. The only one different is the one with all the holes in it.
Yes and I appreciate your response to a question that seems quite ridicilous because it would make sense that they are all the same. All of my air fliters have always just come right off with the removal of the clips. So something is for sure amiss.

Since the 2 bolts holding the cover down put the cover in only one place the only other variable is the air box which I now wonder when I reinstalled the tranmsmission maybe it is not on just right.
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Old 03-01-2015, 06:48 AM   #9
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tolerance stacking

no harm in (confirming good installation and then) shaving-off the fits' interference.
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Old 03-01-2015, 11:33 AM   #10
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Missing spacers??

I also had some fitment trouble with the starter cover. The cause was I forgot to install the two spacers/gaskets at pos. no. 9 in below fiche.
Pulled the timing cover this week and got them installed. The starter cover now goes on much easier. Maybe your RT is missing these spacers /gaskets?

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Old 03-02-2015, 04:32 PM   #11
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I also had some fitment trouble with the starter cover. The cause was I forgot to install the two spacers/gaskets at pos. no. 9 in below fiche.
Pulled the timing cover this week and got them installed. The starter cover now goes on much easier. Maybe your RT is missing these spacers /gaskets?

Man I bet thats it. Because if I had to say what seems amiss....I would sya that front area almost seems too far back by about 3 millimeters.

I bet thats it.

Thank You D Kay Dan...and all others !
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Man I bet thats it. Because if I had to say what seems amiss....I would sya that front area almost seems too far back by about 3 millimeters.

I bet thats it.

Thank You D Kay Dan...and all others !
You're welcome! If you decide to pull the timing chain cover to insert the spacers, then you'll probably need to also fit a new gasket pos. no. 7. Maybe also the seal in pos. no. 8 would be nice to replace. But I bet you would already know this having several airheads
Both the spacers in pos. 9 and the gasket pos. 7 are no more than max. 1 mm thick. Anyway it made quite a difference for the starter cover fitment.
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Old 03-03-2015, 05:56 AM   #13
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You're welcome! If you decide to pull the timing chain cover to insert the spacers, then you'll probably need to also fit a new gasket pos. no. 7. Maybe also the seal in pos. no. 8 would be nice to replace. But I bet you would already know this having several airheads
Both the spacers in pos. 9 and the gasket pos. 7 are no more than max. 1 mm thick. Anyway it made quite a difference for the starter cover fitment.
I think thats a good excuse to go ahead and do a chain and all the bits and pieces.
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