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Old 07-02-2012, 01:46 PM   #31
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I have a Kriega US20 that I use as a tailbag on my F800GS. It's the most water proof bag I've strapped to a motorcycle. I'm looking for a luggage system for my TE630 and was wondering the same thing as the OP. Hopefully the new Kriega overlander rack will fit my almost-mythical bike otherwise I'm going to see what I can do with the Wolfman racks.
Hey Senor,

If you're looking for a pannier frame-mount system, then it all depends on whether you can get the right metalwork for your Husky. If you can either have a Touratech, Metal Mule or KTM Power Parts 18mm frame modified to fit your bike, or get something with the same frame dimension and diameter fabbed up, you'll be good to go with the Overlander 60.

That said, the Overlander 30 does not require any kind of rack, so it could well be the best bet. I can't see the fit being an issue, as long as you can find a solid forward fixing point for the ladder-lock strap, and providing that the heat shield on that lovely exhaust system does its job.

Failing that you could just get a set of Rack Loops and secure your US-20 or - if you wanted more capacity - a US-30 on the rear fender, using them.

Let me know if you need any more info.


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Old 08-06-2012, 11:17 AM   #32
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The Wolfman bags are hard to beat. Initally all the straps had me wondering what I had gotten into but now I see that if you want a good tight package it must be secure...
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Old 08-06-2012, 12:10 PM   #33
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Old 11-23-2012, 06:11 PM   #34
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Stay tuned....

Wolfman rack ordered courtesy of the Dual Sport Armory Black Friday sale.

I'm hoping to use a US-30 on left and US-20 on right (exhaust) side of my XC. I'm thinking this is going to work almost perfect. Dimensions on the rack in stock form seem fine. The beauty is that it allows some serious expansion with my US-10's. If not, as much as I love my Kriega bags, I'll likely put them in the FM and move on to an Ortlieb setup. No one builds a better bag than Kriega, but I'm tired of the seat mounting solution and starting from scratch with the $$$$$$$ Overlander isn't an option for me.

I'll post pictures when I have the racks. I think this is going to be a sweet setup!
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Old 11-24-2012, 12:08 PM   #35
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Wolfman rack ordered courtesy of the Dual Sport Armory Black Friday sale.

I'm hoping to use a US-30 on left and US-20 on right (exhaust) side of my XC. I'm thinking this is going to work almost perfect. Dimensions on the rack in stock form seem fine. The beauty is that it allows some serious expansion with my US-10's. If not, as much as I love my Kriega bags, I'll likely put them in the FM and move on to an Ortlieb setup. No one builds a better bag than Kriega, but I'm tired of the seat mounting solution and starting from scratch with the $$$$$$$ Overlander isn't an option for me.

I'll post pictures when I have the racks. I think this is going to be a sweet setup!
Hey levain,

Please feel free to drop me a line when you're ready to start putting this together. As mentioned previously, our US packs are designed to work perfectly as tail bags, but not panniers. So while it is *technically* possible to side mount them, there are some considerations to assess, such as the fact that they don't have stiffened bases / backs to give the bags structure when hung vertically and not relying on the quick-release clips to support the weight of the bags etc.

I'm more than happy to run through these with you in the hope you can continue using your beloved Kriega in this alternative configuration.


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Old 11-24-2012, 05:34 PM   #36
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Hey levain,

Please feel free to drop me a line when you're ready to start putting this together. As mentioned previously, our US packs are designed to work perfectly as tail bags, but not panniers. So while it is *technically* possible to side mount them, there are some considerations to assess, such as the fact that they don't have stiffened bases / backs to give the bags structure when hung vertically and not relying on the quick-release clips to support the weight of the bags etc.

I'm more than happy to run through these with you in the hope you can continue using your beloved Kriega in this alternative configuration.


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Thanks Michael,
I'm sure others would like to know if/how this will work.

I really want to a) use the Kriega bags I've already invested in, but b) use them as panniers instead. A solid rack is the first step towards doing this. I'm thinking that I'm going to need to rig a strap that will go over the rear seat to basically support the bags, then use the standard Kriega setup to strap to the racks. I'll likely need to upgrade the US20 to the alloy straps.

Once I get the racks installed, I'll be able to play around with it. I do think that this could be the ultimate setup if I can make it work. I'll do my best. I really don't want to switch bags. I'm not sure there is a better bag than Kriega.

Stolen from Colebatch's amazing RR. I'm hoping to mount roll top up, but here's someone with (almost) my idea.


With all due respect, it seems Kriega could've (should've) designed a system that could incorporate the bags that many of us already own, rather than reinventing the wheel with new, smaller, more expensive bags!
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Old 12-08-2012, 01:54 PM   #37
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First off, I felt like I was cheating installing the Wolfman racks. I had them on my bike, including removing the Caribou rack and reinstalling in 30 min. It's such a joy working with such fine craftsmanship. They fit, they're STRONG and they look pretty good.

On to the Kriega bags. Here's a teaser, I'm running out for the night...

US-30 on left. US-20 on right, and works Quite well I might add

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Old 12-08-2012, 07:40 PM   #38
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The US-30 works, but it seems a little oafish. US-20's look right. US-30 just looks big, but not nearly as out of place as most aluminum rectangles look. I only have a down sleeping bag stuffed in it so the bag takes a goofy shape. I'm sure if it was actually loaded it wouldn't look so funny. The bag is rock solid on the rack. Doesn't move at all. I may play around with some type of solid something in the bag to stiffen it up a little. It seems to need that.







US-20 fits the rack almost like its made for it.






I still need to play with the straps, and I need to get another set of alloy straps. They work better for this application giving more options for mounting. I may even try the rack loops for the bottom of the wolfman rack since there are two perfectly drilled holes in the rack already. Not sure what they're for, but I think the Kriega rack loops will screw in fine.

I strapped the top strap around the passenger grab rails. These aren't taking any of the weight. They're more just holding in place, then the bags are held tight to the rack with the straps. The Alloy loops work best around the subframe under the seat. Location seems just about perfect.




Once the straps are in place, the bags are on/off in seconds. Esp. with the alloy loops, you almost don't notice anything is there.


I tried strapping a US-10 to the US-20 and it just got weird. I think if the US-20 had a sidewall for rigidity it would work fine, but there was no support. That will have to be phase 2.

I'm not sure I would bother with this if I didn't already own my Kriega bags. It seems that there are other options out there that would be cheaper and give the same result, but for those of us that own these bags, but want to use them as panniers, this is an option. I haven't lived with this set up on the road yet, but it looks to me like it's going to work fine. Just from playing with it in my garage, it actually seems a lot easier to get on/off than using the bags in standard form on the seat.
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Old 12-11-2012, 09:37 AM   #39
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The US-30 works, but it seems a little oafish. US-20's look right. US-30 just looks big, but not nearly as out of place as most aluminum rectangles look. I only have a down sleeping bag stuffed in it so the bag takes a goofy shape. I'm sure if it was actually loaded it wouldn't look so funny. The bag is rock solid on the rack. Doesn't move at all. I may play around with some type of solid something in the bag to stiffen it up a little. It seems to need that.







US-20 fits the rack almost like its made for it.






I still need to play with the straps, and I need to get another set of alloy straps. They work better for this application giving more options for mounting. I may even try the rack loops for the bottom of the wolfman rack since there are two perfectly drilled holes in the rack already. Not sure what they're for, but I think the Kriega rack loops will screw in fine.

I strapped the top strap around the passenger grab rails. These aren't taking any of the weight. They're more just holding in place, then the bags are held tight to the rack with the straps. The Alloy loops work best around the subframe under the seat. Location seems just about perfect.




Once the straps are in place, the bags are on/off in seconds. Esp. with the alloy loops, you almost don't notice anything is there.


I tried strapping a US-10 to the US-20 and it just got weird. I think if the US-20 had a sidewall for rigidity it would work fine, but there was no support. That will have to be phase 2.

I'm not sure I would bother with this if I didn't already own my Kriega bags. It seems that there are other options out there that would be cheaper and give the same result, but for those of us that own these bags, but want to use them as panniers, this is an option. I haven't lived with this set up on the road yet, but it looks to me like it's going to work fine. Just from playing with it in my garage, it actually seems a lot easier to get on/off than using the bags in standard form on the seat.
Hi levain,

Yeaaaahhh... As mentioned previously, our new Overlander 15 packs differ significantly from the US tail packs in the following areas:

  1. Heavy duty 1000D Cordura construction to resist abrasion if and when the bike gets sleepy, and rips that could occur from close calls with rocky outcrops, branches, cactus etc. Also provides stiffness.
  2. Semi-rigid back to maintain the bag's shape when loaded.
  3. Stainless eyelets for secure attachment to pannier platforms.
I absolutely admire your dedication and loyalty to your trusty US packs , but would definitely recommend some additional padding in the base (and possibly the outer face - perhaps a layer of foam between the outer shell and inner white liner)) of the bags and solid strapping support below them.



At the moment you're relying on the quick-release clips to support the entire weight. These things are more than up to the job of keeping a bag attached to a seat / rack, there's a definite possibility of them 'quick-releasing' a bit too quickly when asked to support vertical weight over rough ground.


I'm sure you're on top of these issues, but the last thing I want is one of them popping off and jamming in your rear wheel.


Let me know if I can be of any assistance.






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Old 12-11-2012, 12:26 PM   #40
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Hi levain,

Yeaaaahhh... As mentioned previously, our new Overlander 15 packs differ significantly from the US tail packs in the following areas:

  1. Heavy duty 1000D Cordura construction to resist abrasion if and when the bike gets sleepy, and rips that could occur from close calls with rocky outcrops, branches, cactus etc. Also provides stiffness.
  2. Semi-rigid back to maintain the bag's shape when loaded.
  3. Stainless eyelets for secure attachment to pannier platforms.
I absolutely admire your dedication and loyalty to your trusty US packs , but would definitely recommend some additional padding in the base (and possibly the outer face - perhaps a layer of foam between the outer shell and inner white liner)) of the bags and solid strapping support below them.



At the moment you're relying on the quick-release clips to support the entire weight. These things are more than up to the job of keeping a bag attached to a seat / rack, there's a definite possibility of them 'quick-releasing' a bit too quickly when asked to support vertical weight over rough ground.


I'm sure you're on top of these issues, but the last thing I want is one of them popping off and jamming in your rear wheel.


Let me know if I can be of any assistance.






Cheers,






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Mike,
thanks for the advise. I thought about them popping off, and well yeah. Ending up in the rear wheel could be bad. Then, I realized that Wolfman is essentially doing the same thing so.... Their's is a little more elegant, but only because the racks and bags are designed to work together. No doubt about it, this is a little "off" but no more than trying to fit any generic soft luggage to a generic rack.

The foam idea is a good one. I've been trying to decide the best material to use in between the outer bag and the inner bag to stiffen it up a little. I'll check into that.
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Any real world testing of this system since the test fit?
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Old 12-20-2012, 04:40 AM   #42
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Any real world testing of this system since the test fit?
No, BUT, I just ordered this kit from Wolfman to see if I can get the strapping better with the buckles. At the least, the straps over the seat will help considerably and will hold the weight of the bags square over the seat. Then, they'll just need to be strapped to the racks using the buckles. I have an a long weekend planned in a couple weeks provided the weather holds. I have no doubt this will prove to be a great setup.
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