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Old 02-08-2012, 05:07 PM   #16
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Thanks Navin,

My race sag is around 3 7/8" and bike sag is 2 3/4". These are rough measurements as I was by myself, I'll get the misses to help me get better ones.

I have all the clickers set to the comfort settings plus a couple clicks and the forks are pulled up 3/4" in the trees. I have the spring preload backed off a lot but have not backed it off till loose, I need to do that and see where I have it.

Again thanks for starting this topic, I'm finding it most useful.
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Old 02-08-2012, 05:21 PM   #17
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You must be a big dude! I think getting a good measure by yourself is near impossible but if you pulled it off great!

Stock spring (?) and your weight Kanur?

I've got a 12kg on the way from TrailTrick. I'll post up my numbers when it gets here.
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Old 02-09-2012, 09:33 AM   #18
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Not big at all, 180# in street closes. I'm pretty sure the spring is stock as I bought the bike from the first owner with 2000 miles on it and everything else was stone stock and he was a big guy.

I'll have to check again when I have help. I'm lucky I didn't fall over while trying to sit on the bike backwards and measure it
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Old 02-09-2012, 02:20 PM   #19
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I think you may be off in your measurments then as I'm 20lbs heavier and can't get 3" of race sag with zero preload on the spring.

2.78" of race sag
1.37" of bike sag

Even if you have stock rear dual cans compared to my 2-1 FMF we should be close in these specs. If not, you have a different spring or more gravity where you live!
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Old 02-09-2012, 02:36 PM   #20
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I think you may be off in your measurments then as I'm 20lbs heavier and can't get 3" of race sag with zero preload on the spring.

2.78" of race sag
1.37" of bike sag

Even if you have stock rear dual cans compared to my 2-1 FMF we should be close in these specs. If not, you have a different spring or more gravity where you live!
rider hieght and where they position themself on the bike makes a big difference in setup. that is why you should take measurments in your normal riding position.
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Old 02-09-2012, 02:41 PM   #21
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Yes but even his bike sag number is very deep. I've got over an inch less. Somethings not right.
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Old 02-14-2012, 02:56 PM   #22
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Got a new 12kg from Trail Trick today. Still seems stiff, showing these #s with zero preload:

Race sag 84mm / 3 5/16" /3.34"
Bike sag 38mm / 1 1/2" / 1.49"

With 8mm of preload it was nowhere near my desired numbers. Maybe a bit of time will settle it down a bit? As of now I'm thinking it feels as stiff as the 14kg???

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Old 02-14-2012, 03:18 PM   #23
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Got a new 12kg from Trail Trick today. Still seems stiff, showing these #s with zero preload:

Race sag 84mm / 3 5/16" /3.34"
Bike sag 38mm / 1 1/2" / 1.49"

With 8mm of preload it was nowhere near my desired numbers. Maybe a bit of time will settle it down a bit? As of now I'm thinking it feels as stiff as the 14kg???
i use a 11.2 or 11.4 kg and ride 2 up with 140 lb passenger i am 200 lb. solo i reduce the preload 2 turns. in the forks i found stock 5.9 kg went to 5.6 kg and matched the rear perfect!
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Old 02-14-2012, 03:34 PM   #24
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i use a 11.2 or 11.4 kg and ride 2 up with 140 lb passenger i am 200 lb. solo i reduce the preload 2 turns. in the forks i found stock 5.9 kg went to 5.6 kg and matched the rear perfect!

Sounds like I may be good with stock front springs and the 12 then. Did you have sag #s?
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Old 02-14-2012, 09:28 PM   #25
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Navin, I still cannot understand why you are so stuck on sag numbers and not on riding feel.
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Old 02-15-2012, 03:44 AM   #26
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Moose, So I have a baseline to guage where I am and why it feels the way it does. I can look at a number of threads on multiple sites for my EXC to guage where I should be with spring rate and what each feels like to different size riders.

Why not have the same info for the SE so a rider can look it up and pick the best spring for their needs?
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Old 02-15-2012, 08:28 AM   #27
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Normaly at 200# you should be Ok with stock springs. Don't take too much attention to preload. Focus on race sag and then check your free sag.

Free sag between 10-15%

For race sag aroud 30% front (with stock position in triple clamp) and between 25-30% rear shock (don't forget it's a linkless system). On a linkless you should have a little bit more free sag and little bit less racesag and preload (1/8"-1/4").

After first ride fine tune the sag to avoid wobbles/tankslapping (normaly by raising front or lower rear). The SER is very sensible to sag setting versus stability. When you hit the good number you should be able to ride over 100 mph without a vibe in the handle bar on tar or offroad.
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Old 02-15-2012, 11:17 AM   #28
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On a linkless you should have a little bit more free sag and little bit less racesag and preload (1/8"-1/4").
My personal observation is the opposite, for me the SE works better front and back with more preload in relation to rising rate bikes. On the other hand I ride mostly seated and not standing.
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Old 02-15-2012, 11:43 AM   #29
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Navin, i went down this very same road with the race sag, etc. on my SE.

The problem is that the valving doesn't flow enough oil. Once you get that sorted out you may even prefer the OE springs (rides a bit higher in the stroke).
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Old 02-15-2012, 04:36 PM   #30
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With stock spring I was race sagging at 2-7/8" with no preload on the spring.

Same zero preload on the 12kg and I'm now at 3.35" so probably better but there is no way I can add any preload without my race sag going too tall again. At 8mm with the 12 I had just over 2". That won't cut it!

Discussing it with Javier via PM and he suggests valving may be causing the problem now too. Kenny seems to be the man when it comes to a data base of springs and sag. He puts my spring needs in the lower 11kg range by his measurments. Seems he has tried everything!
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