SB5366 - good bill gone bad - Page 4

tod701 · 03-01-2012, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by IdahoRenegade

I know Gary Pewitt, he's been heavily involved in promoting motorized recreation in the Eastern part of the state, and in promoting this bill and keeping some areas open on Forest Service land. He puts in far more effort and hours than most (granted...he does like to hear himself talk

). I'm confident he's not attempting to sell out the motorized community and pander to the greenies. At the same time, it sounds like the compromises he is supporting to get this bill through go too far.

He means well.

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Originally Posted by IdahoRenegade

At least this bill would make ORVs legal on all FS roads that are not otherwise closed .

Nope, only specifically modified quads.

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Originally Posted by IdahoRenegade

you WA guys (perhaps through WOHVA) need to come up with an enforcement proposal as part of the bill, that is acceptable.

Done that.
Proposed section 16 language similar to what was passed by the Senate has been provide to multiple House of Representative members directly involved with the bill and directly to the Transportation Committee staff writing and re-writing the amendments.

IdahoRenegade · 03-01-2012, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by tod701

Nope, only specifically modified quads.

Done that.
Proposed section 16 language similar to what was passed by the Senate has been provide to multiple House of Representative members directly involved with the bill and directly to the Transportation Committee staff writing and re-writing the amendments.

Thanks for clearing up that first part. So non-plated bikes will be SOL with this bill? In other words, you don't gain the right to ride on roads that would be open to quads, but are subject to new penalties under this bill? Your lawmakers suck....

Good luck on getting this resolved.

tod701 · 03-01-2012, 07:48 PM

The House of Representatives just adjourned for the night.

They will be back at it at 10am tomorrow.
If SB5366 is not passed by 5pm tommorrow it is toast.

Keep lighting them up!

81husky · 03-01-2012, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by tod701

The House of Representatives just adjourned for the night.

Keep lighting them up!

Their asses should be on fire, as many times as I've written this session.

woodsrider-boyd · 03-01-2012, 08:16 PM

Emails sent to my legislators. Thanks for keeping us informed on this. -Ed

HighwayChile · 03-02-2012, 01:15 PM

big changes, great going Tod !

tod701 · 03-02-2012, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by HighwayChile

big changes, great going Tod !

WOHVA and the NMA are withdrawing our opposition contingent on the passage of the current floor amendment.

guns_equal_freedom · 03-02-2012, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by tod701

WOHVA and the NMA are withdrawing our opposition contingent on the passage of the current floor amendment.

Details man, details.

tod701 · 03-02-2012, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by guns_equal_freedom

Details man, details.

The amendment worked out this morning was on the house floor was ready to remove the closed unless designated open language and fix some other stuff.

That all changed at 5pm.

According to legislative rules, the bill missed cut-off and is dead.

That is the likely outcome but there are technical ways it could be revived right up to when the Legislature adjournes 8-March.

tod701 · 03-05-2012, 05:49 AM

This bill is not dead yet.

There is an amendment to HB2190 (transportation budget) that adds a fiscal element from 5366.

That way, 5366 is linked to the budget and by doing that kept alive until the end of the session on Thursday.

As of right now 5366 has been removed from the House floor calendar and is back with the House Rules Committee, but things can change quickly.

DeFens · 03-05-2012, 09:07 AM

Thanks for the update Tod. Before I write to any legislators or senators (see, I read your comment to me!) what's the upside of passing this amended bill for two-wheeled, ORV recreationalists, with unplated bike? My understanding (probably wrong) is that it primarily benefits quad-riders. In short - why would it be a good idea for this bill to pass?

tod701 · 03-05-2012, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by DeFens

what's the upside of passing this amended bill for two-wheeled, ORV recreationalists, with unplated bike?

Zip, nothing positive for us two-wheeeled types.

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Originally Posted by DeFens

My understanding (probably wrong) is that it primarily benefits quad-riders.

Yep, plus some increased infraction penalties for riding where it is illegal.

DeFens · 03-05-2012, 11:34 AM

Thanks. Think I'll save my lobbying efforts for something more relevant.

robdogg · 03-05-2012, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DeFens

Thanks. Think I'll save my lobbying efforts for something more relevant.

+1

I still find it to hard to get behind something like this that while it is not as injurious to the OHV community at large and full of holes as were opened with that striker amendment, it still seems quite narrow in it's focus; and has potential to affect single track trails if monies are diverted from OHV and Nova funds.

OlyRider · 03-05-2012, 08:50 PM

Tod,

Is it public record which legislator put forth the effort to get this glued to the Budget bill?

03-01-2012, 07:48 PM	#48
tod701 ^OP Studly Adventurer Joined: Mar 2011 Location: Stanwood Oddometer: 688	The House of Representatives just adjourned for the night. They will be back at it at 10am tomorrow. If SB5366 is not passed by 5pm tommorrow it is toast. Keep lighting them up! __________________ Tod NMA, WOHVA, BRC, AMA, NRA

03-01-2012, 08:16 PM	#50
woodsrider-boyd Wow, these guys are fast Joined: Apr 2005 Location: Duvall, WA Oddometer: 211	Emails sent to my legislators. Thanks for keeping us informed on this. -Ed __________________ I don't know karate but I do know ca-razy. '06 KTM 125SX

03-02-2012, 01:15 PM	#51
HighwayChile greetings from Wa state Joined: Aug 2003 Location: Bow, WA USA Oddometer: 4,096	big changes, great going Tod ! __________________ “I would rather wake up in the middle of nowhere than in any city on earth.” .....Steve McQueen

03-05-2012, 05:49 AM	#55
tod701 ^OP Studly Adventurer Joined: Mar 2011 Location: Stanwood Oddometer: 688	This bill is not dead yet. There is an amendment to HB2190 (transportation budget) that adds a fiscal element from 5366. That way, 5366 is linked to the budget and by doing that kept alive until the end of the session on Thursday. As of right now 5366 has been removed from the House floor calendar and is back with the House Rules Committee, but things can change quickly. __________________ Tod NMA, WOHVA, BRC, AMA, NRA

03-05-2012, 09:07 AM	#56
DeFens Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Jun 2006 Location: Monroe, WA Oddometer: 455	Thanks for the update Tod. Before I write to any legislators or senators (see, I read your comment to me!) what's the upside of passing this amended bill for two-wheeled, ORV recreationalists, with unplated bike? My understanding (probably wrong) is that it primarily benefits quad-riders. In short - why would it be a good idea for this bill to pass? __________________ Monroe, WA 2011 Husaberg FE390 2006 BMW R1200GS 2001 BMW F650GS Dakar And a fluffy cat named Chester....

03-05-2012, 11:34 AM	#58
DeFens Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Jun 2006 Location: Monroe, WA Oddometer: 455	Thanks. Think I'll save my lobbying efforts for something more relevant. __________________ Monroe, WA 2011 Husaberg FE390 2006 BMW R1200GS 2001 BMW F650GS Dakar And a fluffy cat named Chester....

03-05-2012, 08:50 PM	#60
OlyRider Beastly Adventurer Joined: May 2005 Location: Pacific NorthWest Oddometer: 1,093	Tod, Is it public record which legislator put forth the effort to get this glued to the Budget bill? __________________ Olyrider Ob-la-di...Ob-la-da

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