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Old 03-01-2015, 07:42 PM   #1
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1965 TR6 Trophy - what's it worth?

Hello,
I'm entering negotiations with a fellow for his 1965 TR6. I think he's the original owner, or close to it. The bike is in stock unmolested condition, probably very dusty as it was very dusty the last time I saw it 20 years ago. It hasn't been started in ages - i'm guessing nearly 30 years. I would think the condition is fair to good as it's been stored inside a temperature controlled garage at least some of that time. The last time I was in his garage I didn't see it so it might have been baking in a shed for years.

What's it worth? I'm guessing $4-5K if it isn't totally heat rotted. He's a friend and I'm looking to pay a fair price for the year, stock configuration, and condition. I would think one of these in great unrestored condition, or expertly restored, would be well over 10K. I might be able to get some pics but not before next week.

I'm sliding into retirement and I'm looking for something to while away the days and to spend money on.
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Old 03-01-2015, 08:32 PM   #2
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NADA is not the be all but say this for the base model TR6.
The S/C and S/R model jump up in price.

1965 TR6.
Excellent $10,250
Very Good $5,900
Good $3,710
Fair $2,595
Poor N/A
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Old 03-01-2015, 08:34 PM   #3
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I'd love to see a picture of it. I have a '64 TR6 that I bought from the original owner about 6 years ago. Mine had been sitting for almost 39 years when I got it, and part of that was in a barn where cattle lived in the other end of the building. The ammonia from the urine fumes had turned all the chrome a sickly green where it wasn't rusted.

The engine was stuck, which I figured was a piston stuck in the cylinder. I let it soak for a long time and tried to kick it every so often. Finally it broke loose and spun over. It turned out that the pistons were free but a valve was rusted into its guide. It came loose enough to open and then stayed open, so I bent it with my stupidity.

It's a nice bike now, and it runs great. I have a file folder stuffed with receipts that I am scared to add up. I bought all the tools and did all the mechanical work myself, but farmed out the paint, plating, and powder work.

Mine is a low miles bike, still on the original bore from the factory. The bores are truer than you might see on a new bike. Still, it took a lot of doing. If you hear about the sludge trap inside the crank, pay attention. Here's what I found, and I doubt this bike had run 10K miles. The oil has to run through here to get to the big ends:







Depending on what you do to it, and how much work you do yourself (and you don't count your time as money) I'm thinking you could easily wrap up $10,000 in it, but you would be doing well to sell it for that. Most people mistakenly want the old Bonnevilles, when the TR6 is much less hassle to tune and to ride. They really are terrific bikes. Don't let me talk you out of anything.

Just sayin'

I did a fairly extensive build thread over on Britbike.com, where I go by username TR6Ray if you are interested. There isn't a lot of difference from '64 to '65. You could skim through that and get some idea of what might be involved.

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Old 03-01-2015, 08:36 PM   #4
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I was just off to get a link for your thread Ray
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Old 03-01-2015, 08:44 PM   #5
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Hi Les, What's your opinion -- did I exagerate? Maybe you could talk him into a Sunbeam instead! That'd be cheaper and easier, right?
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Old 03-01-2015, 09:07 PM   #6
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Thanks for the info.

I'm kind of hoping the bike is in pretty good cosmetic shape, and I won't have to do much. The engine... I have a couple of friends who keep old Nortons and BSA's going, I figure the engine is coming out for a full tear down, who knows what's happened inside it over 30 years. The owner had the topend done not long before he stopped riding it. There is a problem which he figures was a barrel switch at the machine shop, his push rods are a little long as he's near the end of adjustment for the valves. That isn't much of a concern to me but he keeps bringing it up.

BTW, I had a 78 Bonnie for a while, bought new. I loved that bike maybe more than any of the 80 or so I've had since. It only took me a few sessions to get to where i could sync the carbs by ear in just a few moments. It was a pleasure to do a 30 minute weekend service for a couple weeks of commuting on a sweet running Bonnie.
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Old 03-01-2015, 09:26 PM   #7
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Don't know what it's worth in that state. Probably not a lot. Here's mine for a bit of inspiration...
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Old 03-01-2015, 09:52 PM   #8
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That's very inspirational, Jason. What a beauty!

mojave, if you bought a '78 new and had 80 or so since, then you obviously know what's up. Still, $5k sounds steep if you have to go through the engine. I understand about buying from a friend, though. Especially if you want to stay friends. And maybe the rest is in great shape. Storage conditions make a huge difference. Good luck with it.

Just a thought: The too long push rods could be from the valves being cut too deep to get cleanup in the seats when he had the top end done. In other words, too much valve stem protrusion. It isn't uncommon to have that happen. You might want to be factoring in some head work.
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Old 03-02-2015, 03:47 AM   #9
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Yes, 4-5 grand in original unmolested condition for a non runner that should run...And if you buy it do split the crankcases to clean the sludge trap and inspect the bearings...
A late 60's TR6 sold recently on Ebay for $18000. It was a beautiful bike and Ebay prices can be inflated but it shows prices are creeping up again...
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Old 03-02-2015, 05:01 AM   #10
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Once again thanks for all the thoughtful replies.

I do want to have a fair deal for what's current. I think the frenzy of 10 years ago has adjusted back to the trend line, which baring an asteroid impact or zombie invasion, will only go up. If the paint and plate condition is good enough that after a good scrubbing it's a 20/20 bike (20 mph at 20 feet) then that's the way it will stay.

Sludge trap. I'm wondering what my 78 looked like when I sold it with 25K on it? Tonight I will look at your build Ray. I do have a couple resourceful friends that have kind of seen everything. I have rebuilt two strokes and car engines but have kind of been lucky with big motorcycles. I think the bike has 12K on it. I worry about chemical Brinelling - any rolling elements have not moved in 30 years. At least the mains look like plain (I don't even know what kind of mains these have! )
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Old 03-02-2015, 08:16 AM   #11
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I'm about 80% done with a full restoration of a 67 TR6R that was in my neighbor's garage since 1976. I've got a good idea what work needs to be done, and a great mechanic I can refer you to in SoCal for an engine rebuild. What I've learned in my experience is that the parts I thought would be cheap and plentiful, aren't, while parts that I would have thought would be rarer than hen's teeth are available from a variety of sources. Probably the most frustrating part is the hardware Triumph used was neither SAE or metric, so nuts and bolts cannot be purchased at the local ACE Hardware. That being said, without photos of your potential acquisition, it would be impossible to help steer you in the right direction.

PS- Ray's build thread is one of the best. Highly recommend you click on that link
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Old 03-02-2015, 09:27 AM   #12
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Don't know what it's worth in that state. Probably not a lot. Here's mine for a bit of inspiration...
Not a trophy though is it? I thought Trophy's were the hi pipers. Single carby though, that must be a tiger. at least my 1970 TR6R single carby is a tiger.
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Old 03-02-2015, 09:50 AM   #13
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Here's a quote from Harry Woolridge who wrote a book titled The Triumph Trophy Bible.

"1969 was notable for the demise of the Trophy name in the sales brochures. The TR6 was given the more fashionable name of Tiger. It seems that this didn't register with the factory workers, though, as they carried on referring to the TR6 as a Trophy for many years."

So, it seems you are both right for your model year of TR6.

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Old 03-02-2015, 10:07 AM   #14
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Not a trophy though is it? I thought Trophy's were the hi pipers.
That is a TR6 S/R Trophy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triumph_TR6_Trophy
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Old 03-02-2015, 10:13 AM   #15
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I stand corrected. Interesting they switched naming convention.

Also, great mod is to adapt the Norton Commando oil filter on the return line of the Triumphs. I mounted mine under the swingarm on the frame down tube. This done on both an OIF frame and the pre-OIF frame.

As for value, that is a tough one. Depends on just how good of condition it's in. My 1970 Tiger was original and very good. But had a crack on the primary drain plug. $75 to weld it up and it's good as new. Some other minor cosmetics but for less than $3k she's a real nice runner.

So if paint, chrome, seat, mechanicals are good and it can be made a good runner with some basic maintenance then the $5k numbers might be good. Also depends on your region, some much better than others.

And the 71 Trophy....That's about a $500 bike all in.


My Tiger and Trophy. Both original.




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