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Old 05-10-2015, 06:53 PM   #1
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When to say when on the 800

I know it really depends on the individual. Will try not to sound too much like a ride report...basically getting to know this bike and how difficult it can be to push through steep slow boulder-y bits. When you say 'when!'?

I was beat up by steeps today, wet boulders and mud. Doesn't look like much sometimes, and going down is always easier than going back up. Turning around in this case was a several point turn. I made the mistake of stopping on the low side, then when I went to leave there was no momentum. Boulders made backing up difficult. Spinning tires on the stream rocks. Let more air out, down to about 25 psi, very spongy but better traction. Was the perfect deactivated road for quads.


Earlier in the ride I stopped in front of a deep puddle. Didn't want to get wet, ha ha, or bail in the water.

Stopped at about 2,100 feet to admire the view the way I had come. Several sharp rock sections, new road construction, potholes. Only saw one jeep.
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Old 05-10-2015, 09:19 PM   #2
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All I can recommend is to avoid taking a 450 lb bike in those wet nasty conditions on steep narrow trails. On the other hand you can lower down to 20 psi if you are running tubes and that works for me in the mud much better than higher pressures. Of course you need to air up when you get back on the paved road or higher speed rocky stuff.
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Old 05-11-2015, 02:39 AM   #3
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It is definitely not a trail bike. But with some effort you can do a decent impersonation.

It's all about how much you are prepared to risk.

I found I got a lot better once I stopped giving a shit about breaking it. Now, I'm starting to wonder just how far it will go. It's got to everywhere I've tried going. Sometimes it's a real workout. That's what it's all about.

Get out of the comfort zone and be surprised. I think it makes you a better rider all around.
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Old 05-11-2015, 03:09 AM   #4
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I have taken mine to quite a few places I had no intention of taking it. The bike did fine. A lot more work than a dirt bike, a lot slower, but it got me there and back in one piece.
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Old 05-11-2015, 05:20 AM   #5
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The picture he posted above isn't a good representation of the wet moist moss covered BC coast trail conditions. It can be ridiculous.
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Old 05-11-2015, 06:04 AM   #6
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Every time I take an off road course (http://www.smartadventures.ca/adventures.html) I use my bike. I'm amazed at what the bike can do and my skill improvement.

Find a place that does the BMW course, I found it to be fantastic!

And yes mud, rocks and rain tend to lead to an exercise in picking up your bike

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Old 05-11-2015, 06:05 AM   #7
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Well that's why they call it 'Adventure' riding. No one said it was going to be easy!

In the Middle East they drive Toyota corollas across the desert. Africans ride 125 Chinese knock off motorbikes all over the place, mud, sand rocks you name it on street tires.

Ride your bike and enjoy it!
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Old 05-11-2015, 12:00 PM   #8
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This is why my other dual sport is a WR250R. At nearly 200# lighter it's almost cheating off road (*compared to the GS).

Having said that, not everyone has multiple bikes to choose from. So this begs the second question: how much dirt experience do you have? Could a class like Rawhide or otherwise help in the training? I've seen vids of highly experienced guys doing things on big bikes like the KTM1190 and R12GS that I'm not sure I'd want to do even on the WR.
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Old 05-11-2015, 03:34 PM   #9
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Saturday was the first time the trail stopped my 800. previous halts were mechanical (like wheel bearings), but this weekend a rock created a golf ball sized dent in my bash plate, puncturing my oil cooler and losing all the coolant. about $300 in damage. While the route was very challenging, some of the COBDR and OBCDR was just as gnarly. Just luck of the draw I guess.


but after this weekend, I'm pretty much decided to buy a small light dual sport for the rougher stuff. Picking up the bike on a steep rocky incline is getting old. The GS is great right up to about 7/10ths. After that is a lesson in will power......but if it makes you happy, than carry on. Ride whatever makes you smile.
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Old 05-11-2015, 07:40 PM   #10
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heres my fix for the same problem

I went to a 15/45 for a while then decided to go to a 15/50. I love it! I'm not a speed freak on the road so I don't care about going 80-90 mph. This change put 1st gear to the point that I can engine brake down steep hills and not use the brakes, that gives you total control of the situation when ridding off road. I typically ride in 3rd and 4th gears off road, that is my preferred sweet spot, going in the range of 30-50 mph depending on the terrain.

here is a picture of me before the sprocket change,


and now after the sprocket change!


INSTANT IMPROVEMENT!




But seriously, the 15/45 was ok but not a low enough 1st. I know that the 15/50 is extreme for most because of highway and whatnot, but I love it.




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Old 05-11-2015, 07:40 PM   #11
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Pick up a Husky TE610//630. Awesome dual sport that can do long trips and nasty trails.
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Old 05-11-2015, 07:47 PM   #12
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yes we all agree that no one bike will do the trick!

F800GS for my solo rides 100-300 mile rides

300EXC-f for under 100 miles with friends

Zuma 125 for the coffee runs

JOTAGAS Racing 300 for the 1/8 mile loops in the back yard
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