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Old 12-22-2012, 07:18 AM   #511
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Is everyone ready?

Just a reminder, while snooping around the ASO site, getting my bookmarks in order

the f5 bible

the maps of the course are already up, the entry list and dates seem to be whack
Im kinda ready. Aso have gotten sneaky with the maps: The Special routes have been "smoothed" to make plotting the exact route in GE by the likes of Hogwild & myself a lot more of a crap shoot.


Profiles, WP's and times are still from last year, I expect this will change next week or early in Jan.

This to me is proof that the ASO are lurkers on the F5ire hose as well.

Anyway we will do what we can to overcome it.
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Old 12-22-2012, 07:21 AM   #512
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The schedule so far for Dakar on Eurosport for those who can...

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  • Tuesday January 01
    • 22:45 Rally Dakar Rally: Road Book - Dakar Rally Road Book
  • Wednesday January 02
    • 09:20 Rally Dakar Rally: Road Book - Dakar Rally Road Book
  • Saturday January 05
    • 00:00 Rally Dakar Rally: Road Book - Dakar Rally Road Book
    • 07:30 Rally Dakar Rally: Road Book - Dakar Rally Road Book
    • 18:00 Rally Live Dakar Rally - Day 1
    • 22:00 Rally Dakar Rally - Day 1
  • Sunday January 06
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    Old 12-22-2012, 07:21 AM   #513
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    Hey, y'all! Look what got caught in the trap.


    We kick off our 2013 Dakar Rally call-in coverage with an interview with Lyndon Poskitt (aka Pyndon on ADVrider) on the eve of his departure for South America. His prep hasn't gone exactly to plan, with a broken foot sidelining him for a critical portion of the season, but he's cleared to ride and ready to take on the biggest motorsports challenge on the planet... Go, Lyndon!!





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    Old 12-22-2012, 07:42 AM   #514
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    I don't know... 5 stage wins is impressive, but my vote still goes to Haydon for most impressive rookie...
    OK, I agree since the important thing is the overall. I think Caselli's ride may be more reminiscent of Stearns's: Both super-fast riders with little rally experience and short prep time. It looks like Stearns latched on to the back wheel of Gaston Rahier's BMW for many of the stages. Since he started later, he won those stages on time. (Stories we'll never hear since both of them have passed away.) Good tactic for a rookie and Kurt has the skills to pull it off.

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    Old 12-22-2012, 07:52 AM   #515
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    Hey, y'all! Look what got caught in the trap.


    Great stuff Nate...

    yup, I can see people are definitely itching to get the firehose started

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    Old 12-22-2012, 08:08 AM   #516
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    OK, I agree since the important thing is the overall. I think Caselli's ride may be more reminiscent of Stearns's: Both super-fast riders with little rally experience and short prep time. It looks like Stearns latched on to the back wheel of Gaston Rahier's BMW for many of the stages. Since he started later, he won those stages on time. (Stories we'll never hear since both of them have passed away.) Good tactic for a rookie and Kurt has the skills to pull it off.

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    You make that sound trivial. Just how many people in the world could have "latched onto Gaston's wheel" and stayed there. While that may work on one stage, as soon as he wins he starts first, and he won what 5 stages? You have to be faster at some point to be able to catch up to him so you can "latch on". Not many could have done that, as Gaston was rather fast, wasn't he?

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    Old 12-22-2012, 09:22 AM   #517
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    Aso have gotten sneaky with the maps: The Special routes have been "smoothed" to make plotting the exact route in GE by the likes of Hogwild & myself a lot more of a crap shoot.
    I never trusted those maps anyway. They were intentionally drawn wrong, so for me they were more of a distraction than a useful tool. Usually only the start and finish points were correct.

    In addition to other tricks, I think you used the elevation profiles to help. I don’t recall having those available when I did it. For me, the most valuable tool was searching the internet for local news articles and forum posts from locals in the areas where the route went. I found lots of cases where the locals knew small details in their immediate area, and they sometimes posted a few bits of information, like “the route goes through this small village” or “near XYZ mountain” (not knowing much Spanish slowed me down a lot). I would find those places in Google Earth, put a placemark there, and continue searching for more tips. Also, some of the ASO recon videos showed features that I found in Google Earth. And sometimes the stage description on their website had a few tips about the terrain. Once I had a bunch of points where I thought the stage went, I would try to string them together in Google Earth, searching for roads that looked like the kind of stuff that would be used for Dakar. Usually there were several ways to get from one point to the next, so I would draw them all in Google Earth, and calculate the length for each. The key to knowing if I was right was to use the stage distance ASO published for spectator zone locations and other key points like CP’s. They gave GPS coordinates for the Spectator zones, so I knew 100% where those points on the course were. If my hand-drawn route added up to the same kilometers at those key points and for the overall stage length, and all the other pieces of evidence were right, I figured I had it correct. It was an amazing feeling when I mapped a hundred mile section through all kinds of twisty roads, and my calculated distance was within one kilometer of what ASO said.

    But my approach would not work well in dunes or other HP (no road) areas. To get that just right, you really need the roadbooks. If I ever attempt this again, I would get the roadbook from a competitor and map it that way. That would be a lot easier, and would work fine through HP areas.
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    Old 12-22-2012, 09:29 AM   #518
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    Damn, HogWild. - You are obsessed/possessed.
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    Old 12-22-2012, 09:46 AM   #519
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    Damn, HogWild. - You are obsessed/possessed.
    No no, I'm recovered now. I limit my Google Earth work to only 6 days a week now.
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    Old 12-22-2012, 10:08 AM   #520
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    Im kinda ready. Aso have gotten sneaky with the maps: The Special routes have been "smoothed" to make plotting the exact route in GE by the likes of Hogwild & myself a lot more of a crap shoot.

    Profiles, WP's and times are still from last year, I expect this will change next week or early in Jan.

    This to me is proof that the ASO are lurkers on the F5ire hose as well.

    Anyway we will do what we can to overcome it.
    Neil, if you're gonna use GE to guess, why not try to actually make a roadbook using Rally Navigator

    Do you have a RB holder on your 800?
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    Old 12-22-2012, 11:36 AM   #521
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    Let's do this!

    F5 button is ready to go!
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    Old 12-22-2012, 11:36 AM   #522
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    Hey, y'all! Look what got caught in the trap.
    Nate!

    You're alive!


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    Old 12-22-2012, 12:09 PM   #523
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    I think an appearance of Manuel's grandma has become a Dakar tradition.

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    Old 12-22-2012, 12:21 PM   #524
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    No no, I'm recovered now. I limit my Google Earth work to only 6 days a week now.
    C'mon get back to 7 days

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    Old 12-22-2012, 02:06 PM   #525
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    Along with Kurt Caselli, there is also another interesting rider - Mario Patrao with Suzuki. At the Merzouga Rally he finished 5th.
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