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Old 08-20-2013, 06:01 PM   #751
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I have too, but its relatively easy to predict where deer might be and ride accordingly

could deer be on other places, sure, but odds are slim to none, deer are creatures of habit, learn their habits and you'll be a better rider
Deer whisperer? Think like the deer,be the deer,love the deer.........
Next thing you know you'll smack a bear.
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Old 08-20-2013, 06:10 PM   #752
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Deer whisperer? Think like the deer,be the deer,love the deer.........
Next thing you know you'll smack a bear.

Can someone explain why they are deer whisperers when they are on their bicycle if you want to use that logic? Or do you wear full leathers on that as well?
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Old 08-20-2013, 07:30 PM   #753
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I don't think the deer in my neck of the woods got the memo either.
Send it again, and tell them again to put cover sheets on all of their TPS reports too.

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Old 08-20-2013, 07:44 PM   #754
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I do most of my riding in the evening. I see deer about 1 out of every 3 rides. I don't wear a helmet so I can more easily sense their presence and avoid them.
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Old 08-20-2013, 07:45 PM   #755
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I do most of my riding in the evening. I see deer about 1 out of every 3 rides. I don't wear a helmet so I can more easily sense their presence and avoid them.


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Old 08-20-2013, 07:47 PM   #756
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ATGATT is overrated...until you crash.
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Old 08-20-2013, 08:26 PM   #757
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If you only want to wear full gear when on a long trip, just remember the statistics indicate most fatal accidents happen within ten miles of home.

Many/most riders don't have any reasonable amount of experience with get-offs and just how painful abrasions and such can be.


Just remember, that these statistics contribute nothing to the discussion, because most driving happens within ten miles as well. If, for examples, fatalities double but exposition time triples, it's stell safer.

Right is, I have nearly no experience with painful abrasions - whenever I crashed I was properly geared. (Well with the exception of that one time on the bicycle in my youth - gloves would have been nice.)

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Those from a dirt-biking background usually don't take much convincing to purchase gear. They already know that unscheduled shit happens and there is no way to prepare for it after the fact.
That's interesting, because dirt biker should know best that there are times with high accident probability and times with low accident probability and that different gear is neaded for different types of riding.
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Old 08-20-2013, 08:34 PM   #758
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I really don't see what is wrong with adjusting the level of gear with the appropriatness of the situation.
It is always appropriate.
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Old 08-20-2013, 08:36 PM   #759
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Are you really ATGATT if you are not wearing, kidney belt, spine protector and airbag leathers?

There are some people on this thread that seem to think that ATGATT actually means Darien onesies.
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Old 08-20-2013, 08:37 PM   #760
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It is always appropriate.
If I am riding my scooter at the same speed as I would ride a bicycle the 1km to the shop, do I need airbag leathers? Would you wear this on a bicycle?
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Old 08-20-2013, 08:40 PM   #761
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Are you really ATGATT if you are not wearing, kidney belt, spine protector and airbag leathers?

There are some people on this thread that seem to think that ATGATT actually means Darien onesies.
ATGATT means what you want it to mean. If it's kidney belts to you, then that's what it is. If it's Road crafter, full faced helmet, gloves and boots to someone else, then that's what it is.

We draw our own lines, but even the anti-gear folk seem to have an idea of what it's not. (bare feet, no helmet no gloves etc...)
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Old 08-20-2013, 08:43 PM   #762
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ATGATT means what you want it to mean. If it's kidney belts to you, then that's what it is. If it's Road crafter, full faced helmet, gloves and boots to someone else, then that's what it is.

We draw our own lines, but even the anti-gear folk seem to have an idea of what it's not. (bare feet, no helmet no gloves etc...)
I don't think that is accurate. People have a go at people not being atgatt because they are wearing jeans all the time.

ATGATT must be the best gear available (including kidney belts, airbag leathers etc) otherwise you have no right to criticise others as you are making the same risk decision that they are (just at a different point in the spectrum). The airbag might make the difference in the crash, how can you possibly ride without one when one is available on the market?
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Old 08-20-2013, 08:49 PM   #763
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...how can you possibly ride without ...

I've made a risk/fun assesment, and drawn my line.


Jeans offer no protection, so they're not a piece of "gear"
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Old 08-20-2013, 08:54 PM   #764
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I've made a risk/fun assesment, and drawn my line.
Sure, and you have the right to do that, but why critcise others that have done the same risk assessment and drawn the same line at a different place.

Motorcycling is about managing risk, the stupid absolutism of ATGATT is ridiculous especially since even the ones that yell the loudest about it don't even do everything they can to minimise the risk (because they have taken the risk assessment and decided that airbag leathers are not worth it).

It is like - "everyone that wears less gear that me is a squid, and everyone that wears more gear than me is a worry wort"

Just ride your own ride.
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Old 08-20-2013, 09:01 PM   #765
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Sure, and you have the right to do that, but why critcise others that have done the same risk assessment and drawn the same line at a different place.

Motorcycling is about managing risk, the stupid absolutism of ATGATT is ridiculous especially since even the ones that yell the loudest about it don't even do everything they can to minimise the risk (because they have taken the risk assessment and decided that it is not worth it).

It is like - "everyone that wears less gear that me is a squid, and everyone that wears more gear than me is a worry wort"

Just ride your own ride.
You want to define ATGATT. That's fine. But so far that's not what this thread has been about. The anti-gear folk seem acknowledge that they aren't ATGATT. Some don't wear helmets or even shoes.

I got no problem talking gear (jeans are not gear), and no problem letting people ride their own ride.. Here's a quote from earlier.

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Again, I'll ride my ride, you ride yours, but telling people they are more likely to wreck while wearing gear, or that you won't wreck if you go slow is pretty damn stupid.
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