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Old 04-09-2012, 04:38 PM   #16
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Can I ask how much the 2009 leftover Citycom was ? How do you like it ? It seems they can be found with less than 5000 miles for under $3000.
My Citycom was $3495 out the door (plus another $50 to deliver 95 miles away) - this was a leftover from a boat dealer who sold scooters a few years back, but doesn't anymore - had 2 scoots left and was desperate to unload them. There are 3 SYM dealers within an hour of my house - the best deal on the new HD was a few hundred more. I figured the Citycom would work better if I ever jump on the interstate, plus it would have higher resale value.

The bike itself is pretty amazing - it's big (maybe 370 pounds, w/gas), but it has about the same get up and go as the HD200, with a slightly higher top end (82 mph indicated is as fast as I've gone). For a bigger bike (compared to my Buddy 150, for example), it's still quite nimble - all that weight doesn't seem to matter while you're moving. It feels right at home in curves (seriously, carves up any curve). Speedo seems about 3-5% optimistic at any given speed, which is pretty good for a scooter.

I saw an '09 on craigslist here for $2,900 with only 3k miles, but it sold before I could get over to look at it. For the record, mine is NOT FOR SALE!

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Old 04-09-2012, 09:29 PM   #17
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Wow, you don't go far at all!

Sounds like you don't need a big bike at all.

I think you'd be mighty fine on the 200. If you only do 2.5K a year. You could do 2.5K Interstate miles a year on it and be satisfied!


Canuman alright I gotcha! I thought they had it set there in the shop for 5 months. I was gonna say that'd be outragous! But still, that dealer sucks! I'd just say its the dealer.

I'm can't wait to be able to afford me a maxi scoot.
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Old 04-09-2012, 11:00 PM   #18
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Question for you- do you do your own servicing? How frequent and hard are the valves to access and adjust?
Sorry I can't answer that one as I let my mechanic to worry about all that detail :) Service intervals are a bit frequent at every 3,000km, in common with other SYM scooters... although I think I read somewhere SYM recently extended them across their whole range. It seems to me recommended service interval is really an almost completely arbitrary number and if you were doing your own work you could probably get away with less frequent services.
Then again if you don't ride much this might not be a major issue for you.
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Old 04-09-2012, 11:08 PM   #19
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Service intervals are a bit frequent at every 3,000km, in common with other SYM scooters... although I think I read somewhere SYM recently extended them across their whole range. It seems to me recommended service interval is really an almost completely arbitrary number and if you were doing your own work you could probably get away with less frequent services.

Then again if you don't ride much this might not be a major issue for you.
Them Service Intervals is usually just valves and oil changes I'd bet. Using a good quality synthetic oil, you can usually go even further than the recommended. Valves? Well I ain't touched em on my Elite 150 in 8K and they recommened a lot more frequent. No problems I's gonna check em now though.

But as ferrix meantioned if you says youse only fixin to ride 2,500 miles a year, sounds like 1 service a year is all!
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Old 04-09-2012, 11:56 PM   #20
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Excellent info- thanks- Nice to hear reports of someone who has put lots of distance on one and no issues.

Question for you- do you do your own servicing? How frequent and hard are the valves to access and adjust?
The valves are easy to check and adjust. I think they say to check them every 3K miles. I use the oil meter and change the oil about every 1K miles, takes about 5 minutes.

After you check and set the valves, you can really tell by riding it if they need adjustment. Getting to the adjuster screws is really easy. The nuts for the adjusters are very small however and you need to find the right tool for them, I use mini pliers. Also, there are two on the underside of the head and for those I lie on the ground.

Mine has never used anything in 5500 miles, it's a great bike, because it always works. After working on it, you realize everything on the motor is such high quality, much better than my new cbr250. I ordered an extra drive belt and brake pads, and keep those on hand. I think you change the rear drive oil at 1K and 3K miles- very easy too.

I don't really like it as a highway bike, but it will cruise 60 mph all day, no problem. My average mpg was 75 US.
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Old 04-10-2012, 01:18 AM   #21
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Them Service Intervals is usually just valves and oil changes I'd bet. Using a good quality synthetic oil, you can usually go even further than the recommended. Valves? Well I ain't touched em on my Elite 150 in 8K and they recommened a lot more frequent. No problems I's gonna check em now though.

But as ferrix meantioned if you says youse only fixin to ride 2,500 miles a year, sounds like 1 service a year is all!
this is pretty right on, i think. the service intervals for some of these scoots are for "severe duty" and otherwise. more frequent then necessary. especially if not mecnanically inclined in the least

valves every 2500 miles? well it sure will save a DIY'er a good chunk of change to at least be able to check them if not confident enough to adjust them. but even so, most likely they are ok

guys on the Kymco board with over 15,000 miles on their scoots without ever touching the valves

i am against over servicing a scoot :)
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Old 04-10-2012, 07:36 AM   #22
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Excellent info- thanks- Nice to hear reports of someone who has put lots of distance on one and no issues.

Question for you- do you do your own servicing? How frequent and hard are the valves to access and adjust?
Having worked for a SYM, Genuine, and TGB dealer, I've done the valves an about a dozen or so SYM watercooled 4 valve singles. They aren't what I'd call difficult, but are a bit fussy because the valve cover is behind some frame tubing. But with the proper tools, ( the 2in1, 9mm hex X 4mm square combo valve adjuster) and a decent longish feeler gauge it's no more difficult than doing most ChiCom scooter valves. Do them cold.

The frequent oil changes are because the engine's oil capacity is smallish, the RV250 has a bigger sump, and I think gets longer oil change intervals.

Keep an eye on the water cooling hose clamps and check the coolant level occasionally. They really never overheat, the cooling system is massive compared to the engine's heat output.
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Old 04-10-2012, 07:51 AM   #23
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A female friend of mine had no problems flat-footing the SYM, and she's 5' 6". As there is no tank in the way, you can slide forward off the seat if necessary.
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Old 04-10-2012, 08:03 AM   #24
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I will add that like Canuman says their standover height isn't excessive, It is a tallish scooter for a 125 or 200 (172cc's actually..) though, compared to the Buddy or TGB R9. So fairly short folks will feel a bit tippy-toeish at stoplights.

I like it's size, it has a taller profile in traffic, and it's weight isn't excessive, you really don't think much about it's height or weight once underway as it's so smooth and quiet, and the "16 wheels are much more like a motorcycle's in gyroscopic stability and being able to handle pot holes you can't nimbly flick it sideways to avoid. My one gripe about it is the floorboards as i prefer my floorboards flat, and it set up with two feet areas and raised bit between them. I've had the tupperware off the floor board and wondered why SYM didn't just make the floor board slightly wider and flatter.

I'm really nit picking here, it's an excellent scooter.
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Old 04-11-2012, 12:45 AM   #25
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I consider the SYM HD200 a best buy in scooters, even moreso if you find a new leftover at a nice discount like we did. It is simply an awesome scooter. We have one with a tail trunk on it. It uses a 4 valve water cooled engine with a ceramic coated cylinder. It comes with a two year warranty. Only SYM and Kymco offer this long of a warranty. Don't tell me an HD200 can't do US freeways. Ours has done it with no problems. My wife and I used to do multi day trips with her on her HD200 and me on my Sportster. The HD200 is fast, reliable, and very stabil with the big wheels and long wheelbase. We shipped my wife's when we moved from near Tacoma, Wa. to Keaau, Hawaii. I bought a new leftover Kymco People 150 in Kona as there are no SYM dealers on the Big Island.
If there are any drawbacks to the HD200 it would only be that they have no kick starter as a backup, and the tank, due to it's plumbing, is difficult to fill to the exact same level at each fill. A larger tank would be nice too, but most scooters are the same way. Parts? We haven't needed any, and ours is a 2008.
You'll pay more for about any other scooter, but you'll be passing up a fine ride in the HD200. Take one for a test ride, and hit the freeway at 55-65 mph. The SYM will do it all day.

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Old 04-11-2012, 06:46 AM   #26
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If there are any drawbacks to the HD200 it would only be that they have no kick starter as a backup, and the tank, due to it's plumbing, is difficult to fill to the exact same level at each fill. A larger tank would be nice too, but most scooters are the same way. Parts? We haven't needed any, and ours is a 2008.
You'll pay more for about any other scooter, but you'll be passing up a fine ride in the HD200. Take one for a test ride, and hit the freeway at 55-65 mph. The SYM will do it all day.

Good luck in your choice.
I have to say on these points that the SYM is no worse than most as far as the fuel filling issue and the size of the tank. The fuel gauge appears to be about as accurate as any I've seen on a motorcycle, which means that it is not at all. I cruised for an hour once on dead empty (indicated) and still didn't run it dry. Stashing a spare liter of fuel adds additional security. There are few places here in the east where there isn't a gas station within 15 or so miles. If one were really going to turn it to an adventure scoot, I can think of several places where a Rotopax would mount nicely.

I can't think of any modern scooter and few modern street motorcycles that have a kicker. With the exception of MX types, we may be the last generation that knows the joys and frustrations of kicking a bike. My family's old Vespa 150 has a kicker, but it's as old as I am -- and becomes breathless above 45 mph.

I concur on the HD's ability to tackle freeways. The only modification that I did besides adding a windscreen was to pop in a set of Dr. Pulley variator weights.They give the bike a nice kick in the pants throughout the powerband, and make freeway speeds a real possibility. The HD doesn't appear to mind being run at the upper end of its range for hours. I wouldn't take it in heavy traffic in most cities, but I would also avoid such things on any bike I own.

The SYM was not designed as a luxury item for short rides on sunny days. It's from a country where a scooter is a family's sole means of transport. As to durability, I recall reading a report here where a South African gent had over 60,000 miles on his, and was happily scooting along.
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Old 04-11-2012, 10:33 AM   #27
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I agree completely. I bought a Citycom a year ago for $4k OTD and it is a fantastic machine. Does hightway fine, even interstate at 80mph passing cars all the way. It is perfectly engineered and produced as fun economical transportation. The wind and weather protection and storage is better than any street bike I've owned which were all overengineered anyway....who really rides 140mph?

I want to buy a HD200 for my wife...know were I can get a leftover?[/
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Old 04-11-2012, 02:24 PM   #28
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One scooter nobody has mentioned but would be worth checking out is the kymco Yager 200GTI. It is around the same weight as the Sym ( slightly more I think it's 304LBS ), has similar performance and fuel injection. I sat one on and it had a very comfortable seat and the passenger portion seemed comfortable too. It has smaller wheels and pretty good under seat storage. I don't know about the seat height, I'm 6-2 and really don't pay much attention to seat height.

I'm not saying it's a better choice than the Sym, just that it might be worth looking at.

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Old 04-11-2012, 03:22 PM   #29
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Yeah, my local bike shop just got a Yager in. I sat on it last Saturday. Not a bad scooter. I think it is actually 175cc with fuel injection. It should top out around 75 mph with decent gas mileage.
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Old 04-12-2012, 12:51 PM   #30
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WR_guy- Check Cycletrader.com- there are a number of listings for new 2008s & 2009s. Can't tell where you're located....

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