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Old 05-22-2013, 04:49 AM   #3241
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GorgeD. I have a 1190 (not R) with manual suspension, I may be able to answer some of your questions.

The rear preload takes seconds to adjust, the handbook has recommendations for the number of turns of the adjuster knob for different loads. The reabound damping screw is easily visable, not that I've changed this yet as still running in and only ridden solo at the moment.

One odd thing is if you buy it with the electronic suspension the centre stand is included which is not the case with manual suspension on the road version.
XsilverGS: thanks a lot for the quick answer, yes it helps a little bit.
I am considering the R model because I am sure the 30mm difference (comparing to the normal 1190 version) will make the difference while traveling in both on and off road terrains. R version has 220mm suspension travel front and rear, the "normal" version has 190mm both front and back.
The same applies at least with my GS adv. I have noticed difference between the normal GS and the adventure.

As said, thanks for your answer and the comment regarding center stand
Enjoy your nice bike :-)

Would really appreciate feedback from someone who changes it often: if it's easy and how much time it takes.
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Old 05-22-2013, 06:06 AM   #3242
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I have the R
I checked and changed the setting from standard to sport of both preloads and hydraulics, it took me 15 min.
I'm not pariculary demanding, like silverGS. When I drive with my wife I just change the rear preload and it's not even neccesary. A question of 10 sec.
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Old 05-22-2013, 06:16 AM   #3243
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I have the R
I checked and changed the setting from standard to sport of both preloads and hydraulics, it took me 15 min.
I'm not pariculary demanding, like silverGS. When I drive with my wife I just change the rear preload and it's not even neccesary. A question of 10 sec.
Hi igorpetrovich!
You have a very nice bike by the way :-) , I have followed this thread and your photos.

I guess i will do the same (when and if i buy the 1190 R).
I will set it to standard/normal (most probably) and will have to change the rear preload based on the luggage and/or 2nd passenger.

So, in a few words, you mean that the only setting for adjusting the rear preload is done by turning a small "wheel" either right or left. Am I correct?
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Old 05-22-2013, 06:20 AM   #3244
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by "wheel" i mean the one that appears in this photo (close to the orange spring):

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Old 05-22-2013, 06:25 AM   #3245
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yes, and since I keep the preload stiffer than standard when I travel with a passenger I don't change it (because I can't speed....)
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Old 05-23-2013, 11:21 PM   #3246
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New vid here shows some great ride footage for the 1190 "T".



Unfortunately, no sound due to a copyright claim on the backing track.

Low-spec rear shock doesn't appear to cause any problems.
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Old 05-23-2013, 11:38 PM   #3247
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New vid here shows some great ride footage for the 1190 "T".

Unfortunately, no sound due to a copyright claim on the backing track.

Low-spec rear shock doesn't appear to cause any problems.
That movie was hilareous, even without sound. Another reason I really need to learn French.

What exactly is meant by the phrase low-spec rear shock? Is the model used for the electronically adjustable version less variable or lower spec?
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Old 05-24-2013, 12:04 AM   #3248
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I believe that was sarcastic - sarcasm is a little tricky to pull off on forums.

Funny video though!
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Old 05-24-2013, 12:11 AM   #3249
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That movie was hilareous, even without sound. Another reason I really need to learn French.

What exactly is meant by the phrase low-spec rear shock? Is the model used for the electronically adjustable version less variable or lower spec?
From the parts fiche, no external reservoir.




Hence, gas compensating for volume change as shaft enters shock body has to be held in the main tube.

Usually via emulsion in the damping fluid, or in a bladder, or under a floating piston.

Not necessarily an issue, especially in touring use. Possible drawbacks compared with external res system:

- lower volume of damping fluid and less surface area for dissipating heat.

- no adjustment for compression damping (invariably the compression adjustment is sited where fluid flows into the external reservoir).

This shock has adjustments for rebound damping and preload only. Again, not necessarily a bad thing - a lot depends on execution and typical use.


R model shock for comparison:



The compression adjuster is at 6, top of the external reservoir.
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Old 05-24-2013, 12:31 AM   #3250
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Actually, looking at those two diagrams, an available inference is that the electric shock is at its core a throw-away item, whereas the "R" shock is rebuildable and easily opened for revalves.

I'm sure if anyone knows better, they'll correct me.
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Old 05-24-2013, 12:38 AM   #3251
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What makes the R $1000 more

Wondering why the R is more expensive, I mean is there someting extra on the R ? The standard has the more complex suspension , 21 inch front wheel should not add a lot? Perhaps its the bars ? Or maybe there is something else?
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Old 05-24-2013, 12:45 AM   #3252
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Reflector Handle Fuel

Where has your dealer fitted the rear reflector? Mine came in the KTM bag but I don't see a place to fit it.

Also there has been mention of the rear foot peg height. I've had to remove the grab handles as my wife who has short legs found the grab handles pressed on her legs.

In the Settings menu there is an option "Octane 80", can anyone explain this? I thought you used the "Bad Fuel Dongle" for low grade fuel so why would you need an option as the bike would know the dongle was fitted?

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Old 05-24-2013, 12:49 AM   #3253
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Wondering why the R is more expensive, I mean is there someting extra on the R ? The standard has the more complex suspension , 21 inch front wheel should not add a lot? Perhaps its the bars ? Or maybe there is something else?
It's more handsome. :-))))
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Old 05-24-2013, 12:55 AM   #3254
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It's more handsome. :-))))
That sorta explains it ??? Not
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Old 05-24-2013, 01:41 AM   #3255
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The UK website lists the base "T" model at 12,600 pounds. But that is with manually adjusted suspension, no centrestand, and no tyre pressure monitor.

Adding those as a package adds 500 pounds, bringing the price of the "T" model to 13,100 pounds.

The "R" sells there for 13,200 pounds. No electric suspension but it has the tyre monitor, centrestand and the crashbar standard. It also has the more sophisticated rear shock, as above. Suppose I should take a look at the fork.

So in Britain, prices for the optioned-up "T" and the "R" are only 100 pounds apart.

Here the optioned up "T" is about $1000 less than the "R". (The base "T" won't be offered, at least initially, or so I am told.)

Various explanations possible for the price discrepancy:

- the importer wanted to emphasise the price difference from the new BMW GS.

- the importer ordered only a few "R"s but thought enthusiasts would pay more to get them.

- a mistake was made in understanding the spec level of the initial batch of "T" bikes brought in here, and by the time the error came to light prices were already announced. So, the importer wears the cost of the option package.

I've inquired about whether we can special-order the "T" without the electric suspension. No firm reply yet.
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