When did we stop appreciating... - Page 13

perterra · 05-02-2012, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by JimVonBaden

I'm not claiming they were bad, remember, I love old bikes too. I am just saying they are nowhere near as good as the new ones.

I have repeatedly said ABS was not the point, or even figured into this discussion. Whether or not I like them means nothing, except that FI tends to be much less maintenance, reliability of FI V Carbs is a wash IMHO.

Jim

I guess I dont see it as an across the board gain. Some are very advanced, some are less so. Remember, cruisers are motorcycles too no matter what many think of them. And they are probably the largest segment of bikes sold.

JimVonBaden · 05-02-2012, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by perterra

I guess I dont see it as an across the board gain. Some are very advanced, some are less so. Remember, cruisers are motorcycles too no matter what many think of them. And they are probably the largest segment of bikes sold.

Very true, I was only referring to standards, though race style sport bikes and dirt bikes have shown big advancements too.

I even mentioned cruisers having little improvement.

Jim

icebox · 05-02-2012, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by perterra

You probably want to stay off a KLR then.

No KLRs.........but a DRZ with SM rotors, now it can make knobbies howl

Wraith Rider · 05-02-2012, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by perterra

Better for who? 12,000 RPM is completely useless to me. What Im saying is, there is no advantage for me.

Better in terms of build quality, better in acceleration, better for everyone who is actually able to use it. If you personally can't, it's ok, but it is still there. It's like having an intelligent girlfriend - one might never talk to her so her intelligence is no advantage for that person, but she IS definitely better than a dumb one.

perterra · 05-02-2012, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by JimVonBaden

Very true, I was only referring to standards, though race style sport bikes and dirt bikes have shown big advancements too.

I even mentioned cruisers having little improvement.

Jim

I think sport and dirt (minus the KLR) have shown some large changes. Really big advancements.

perterra · 05-02-2012, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Wraith Rider

Better in terms of build quality, better in acceleration, better for everyone who is actually able to use it. If you personally can't, it's ok, but it is still there. It's like having an intelligent girlfriend - one might never talk to her so her intelligence is no advantage for that person, but she IS definitely better than a dumb one.

How do you know it's better in build quality? Past a point acceleration is all show. Cant use or dont use makes no difference. If you got a track bike yeah, those things are handy. I dont know anyone who can legally use a 12,000 rpm redline on the street without being called a squid.

Girlfriend part is a poor analogy, a smart one might realize she would be better off without ones freeloadin ass around.

Dumb may just love one to pieces whether one is a bum or not. Just like bikes, it's all in your priority's

Wraith Rider · 05-02-2012, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by perterra

How do you know it's better in build quality?

It does NOT blow up at 12,000 rpm.

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Originally Posted by perterra

I dont know anyone who can legally use a 12,000 rpm redline on the street without being called a squid.

To me it does matter MUCH more to have a good ride than to not be called a squid.

perterra · 05-02-2012, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Wraith Rider

It does NOT blow up at 12,000 rpm.

To me it does matter MUCH more to have a good ride than to not be called a squid.

Does that make a engine with a designed red line of 4,600 an inherently bad engine?

To get 12,000 rpm you need a very short stroke or else the pistons swap holes. A long stroke engine of 4,600 rpm may well be the better motor within the design parameters. Look at the use of the motor, the engine design of the 16,000 rpm kriedler is probably not going to be the best choice to ride trials, or plow a field. Increases in horsepower, torque and rpm do not assure you of a better bike.

I've grown tired of this argument, time for me to move along.

icebox · 05-02-2012, 02:38 PM

RPMs have nothing to do with quality, metalurgy does. Maybe your not old enough to remember having to rebuild the average engine way before 100,000 miles. Valve seats, valve guides. Todays coatings, and materials are far better than what was used 40 years ago, that and CNC and robotics. Todays engines are so consistent, not many Friday motors any more.

Wraith Rider · 05-02-2012, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by perterra

Does that make a engine with a designed red line of 4,600 an inherently bad engine?

Not if we're talking about car and marine diesel engines.

rivercreep · 05-02-2012, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Thanantos

So you want a KLR?

Hell NO!
Even as it stands = it's too cookie cutter for me.

I have a TU250X UJM now.
What I WANT is a Ural Patrol. (cookie cutter in its own sense but...rare enough I wouldn't mind) I'm an all weather commuter and it would handle the snow much better than my current ride does.

lemieuxmc · 05-03-2012, 10:38 AM

As I recall from LWR, Claudio seemed pretty happy with that replacement bike they picked up in Mongolia after they had that minor problem with the latest and greatest from a certain Bavarian manufacturer.

Just sayin...

Thanantos · 05-03-2012, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by lemieuxmc

As I recall from LWR, Claudio seemed pretty happy with that replacement bike they picked up in Mongolia after they had that minor problem with the latest and greatest from a certain Bavarian manufacturer.

Just sayin...

Tough argument. Those bikes never were the right bike for that ride (as they admitted before leaving), but if BMW offered it for free I'd take it.

I bet you would too.

Thanantos · 05-03-2012, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by rivercreep

Hell NO!
Even as it stands = it's too cookie cutter for me.

I have a TU250X UJM now.
What I WANT is a Ural Patrol. (cookie cutter in its own sense but...rare enough I wouldn't mind) I'm an all weather commuter and it would handle the snow much better than my current ride does.

I took the MSF course again with my son when he went through it and rode a TU250.

Nice bikes. We could get together (me on the KLR) and have the slowest drag race ever.

JimVonBaden · 05-03-2012, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by lemieuxmc

As I recall from LWR, Claudio seemed pretty happy with that replacement bike they picked up in Mongolia after they had that minor problem with the latest and greatest from a certain Bavarian manufacturer.

Just sayin...

You only remember the beginning. That Chinese bike fell completely apart in less than 500 miles.

Jim

05-02-2012, 02:38 PM	#189
icebox Studly Adventurer Joined: Sep 2008 Location: West Yellowstone, Montana Oddometer: 913	RPMs RPMs have nothing to do with quality, metalurgy does. Maybe your not old enough to remember having to rebuild the average engine way before 100,000 miles. Valve seats, valve guides. Todays coatings, and materials are far better than what was used 40 years ago, that and CNC and robotics. Todays engines are so consistent, not many Friday motors any more. __________________ motorcycles are like fly rods, you need way more than one.

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05-03-2012, 10:38 AM	#192
lemieuxmc Banned Joined: Mar 2009 Location: East La Jolla... it's just Clairemont!! Oddometer: 3,360	As I recall from LWR, Claudio seemed pretty happy with that replacement bike they picked up in Mongolia after they had that minor problem with the latest and greatest from a certain Bavarian manufacturer. Just sayin...