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Old 07-10-2013, 04:54 PM   #76
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The only bike I've ever had an overheating problem with was my new (to me) 92 concours, the fan switch went bad and I was stuck in traffic.
My Bandit will sit and idle all day long.

I like trhe Bandits air/oil cooling.
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Old 07-10-2013, 05:03 PM   #77
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My DR650 seems to think its liquid cooled,which it is but with a big oil cooler,never pings or acts like its getting hot.

But then my 1200 Triumph is fully water cooled and has an oil cooler,it gets hot enough to where I want to get off it and be somewhere else,tank gets hot,hot air blowing out on my legs,fan comes on readily in hot weather.
The high temp light never comes on,its not overheating its just hot..
Big ass 1200 4 cylinder wrapped in bodywork.

So air or water cooling can have different results.
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Old 07-10-2013, 05:07 PM   #78
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I like them both.

As long as it's got two wheels I almost always like it. Even, (and don't tell anyone this) Harleys.
Holy sh*t!!!!!!!!! you know you just put that down in print out loud!
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Old 07-10-2013, 05:12 PM   #79
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nothing all that bad about air cooled.
Its simple and low tech.
Usually does not come with a lot of performance
Ever seen a modern Speedway bike at full chat? They have some performance for an air cooled bike. But it is hard to make an aircooled bike run like a water cooled bike in the long run.
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Old 07-10-2013, 05:26 PM   #80
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Don't hate air cooled bikes, but I've learned to appreciate water cooled fuel injected ones.

Nice having approximately the same performance with changes in altitude and temperature and season.

Certainly some manufacturers havn't been able to solve the reliability issues with water cooling - (BMW & KTM ) but current generation Japanese bikes seem fine.

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Oh Yeah,I picked up an 08 1250 Bandit a while ago,runs like a watch,doesnt get hot on a 105 day,sweet,sweet bike. 53mpg on m first 200 mile ride. Water cooled,FI,smooth as silk and quick.
It just goes no questions asked.

I mean,cars have been water cooled for how long? A little casual maintenance goes a long way.
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Old 07-10-2013, 08:18 PM   #81
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Old 07-11-2013, 09:14 AM   #82
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The other day I pulled into the Costco parking lot. There was a Harley sitting there running with the rider standing talking to a lady. It was at least 90*F. I went in, did a return and picked up the proper item, went through the till and back outside. Harley still chugging away and at least 15 min had gone by. I just don't understand some people. I know Harley says they can do this, but why cook the thing?
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Old 07-11-2013, 09:54 AM   #83
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Keep it simple, stupid,

That's air cooled bikes and thats me.

There are some tech advances that are worth having. I wouldn't want to go back to contact breaker points, for instance. When it first came in people were wary of electronic ignition, saying how much it would cost to replace if it went wrong. How often do you hear of it going wrong. It has made looking after a bike easier, so it makes sense.

Fuel injection is another one that seems to make sense, not that i have had any problem with carbs that i can recall.

I know there are advantages with water cooled engines, but do they outweigh the disadvantages of more weight and more complication?

I ride to get around. I'm after cheap reliable transport. Anything that makes a bike lighter and easier to own and maintain is good. Water cooling does not cut it with me.
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I had an R1200GS (air-cooled + oil cooler with no fan) that would start to make ominous sounds when idling in traffic on hot days. I didn't like that.

My W650 however has never shown any ill signs from heat (and it's straight air-cooled, no oil cooler). I suspect it's under-powered and over-cooled enough with a low-enough compression ratio to be perfectly happy in those conditions.

My Tiger 800 puts off a lot of heat in those conditions but at least I know it can idle there all day long and not melt down. I didn't get that feeling about the BMW.
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Old 07-11-2013, 07:14 PM   #85
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I feel that bike should be a technological showcase up to its price point. Air cooling is not. It also makes for a slow machine, as an air cooled engine that is designed to survive in the real world won't ever make the power of a comparable liquid cooled engine.
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Old 07-12-2013, 03:46 AM   #86
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sweaty balls, that's why i hate air cooled
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Old 07-12-2013, 07:55 AM   #87
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sweaty balls, that's why i hate air cooled
Way more ball sweat on the Concours (water cooled) than the Bandit (air/oil cooled)
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Old 07-12-2013, 11:30 PM   #88
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I feel that bike should be a technological showcase up to its price point. Air cooling is not. It also makes for a slow machine, as an air cooled engine that is designed to survive in the real world won't ever make the power of a comparable liquid cooled engine.
I'm assuming that by "the real world" you mean riding on the street, in which case you don't need much more than 30HP (though 80+ is more fun). An air cooled engine makes more than enough power to go fast in real world riding conditions.

Developing an air cooled engine that is reliable (and that develops good power for it's displacement) is a miracle of engineering, and very much a technological showcase. Water cooled is easy by comparison.

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Old 07-13-2013, 05:32 AM   #89
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Stupid thread. Why would any one hate an air cooled or water cooled motorcycle? It is just a machine. I've had many of both kinds over the last 57 years and they were all good. Gotta take proper care of any machine.
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Old 07-13-2013, 08:16 AM   #90
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I don't know much on this subject, but I've had radiator problems destroy two different cars. I like the concept of air cooling.
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