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[Twin-shocker]

Fitting a slow action throttle is never that great an idea on any trials bike, where instant throttle response helps to make bikes easier to ride. Last modern bike I had was a TXT321 Gas Gas, which was fitted with slow throttle..............was an awful lot easier to ride after it was changed for fast action.

[laser17]

The 321 is a slow rev, torque machine, and doesn't have real snappy power, so that doesn't shock me. The fact that you changed the bike to suit your preference is a good thing IMO.

A Loose and flexible stance on the bike seems to work well in trials. I think the same applies to the what bike people buy.

Have a nice day!

[2whlrcr]

I just bought a GG 250 Pro, supposedly the pussy cat of the GG Pro line. I'm looking for ways to tame it down, because it's too much for me and I ride the Expert line at the local club events. It's a lot snappier than the 2005 Beta 250 I'm coming off of, which isn't exactly an antique. All bikes are different, as are riding styles and if it doesn't suit you, there are ways to try and make it suit you. I may very well go back to stock, after I get more accustom to the machine, but I like having the option of trying different things.

[Twin-shocker]

I get the feeling that the big bore Gas Gas 225cc converted 125/200 is likely to suit almost everyone who isnt a top level expert riding national events, or someone riding WTC................When it comes down to it, nearly all those who have been struggling with a 280/290/300, will if they are completely honest admit to getting far better results if they change to a lower capacity machine.............

[2whlrcr]

I've ridden the GG200 and although a nice bike, I thought it was little too slow. But it's all how you ride. Smage used to ride here occasionally on a 125, when he was competing in the World Jr. championship. And he was getting up and clearing obstacles I wouldn't even think about, on any size bike.

[Twin-shocker]

Thats why I suggested the 225..............works really well, and suits about 95% of riders!

[dptropepe]

My favorite teacher was my '07 Beta 200.

[laser17]

The problem with the 225 is that GG doesnt make one. So if you want one, you need to eat the cost of a whole new top end - not cheap. On top of that you then need to add a FWW or its a stall fest. In fact, factory Kev from shirty's recommends mounting two of them! I think he rides Ex class with his.

I agree that many riders would be better off on a 200 to learn with - but the OP on a 250 will have the same power to weight ratio as the avg rider on the 200. The 250 is a great novice bike and readily available used or new.

[Twin-shocker]

Trouble is most people on here are suggesting 280/290/300 bikes are ideal for newcomers to trials! For a beginner anything other than a 125/200 seems to me a bit like choosing a bicycle with a frame size too big for the rider. Sure its possible to ride a bicycle if the frame is too big, but the correct size will be much much easier!

[PSchrauber]

For the demand of trialsbikes with larger engine size for beginners due to weight of the rider or altitude the bike is used, Beta has now expecially for the US, developed the EVO 300 S, where S stands for soft. The engine is calmed down through carb and ignition and additional an extra flywheel is mounted too.

Maybe the right compromise in all the requirements?

[Twin-shocker]

Here in the UK, a lot of TS riders opt for the 300 Fantic............the fact that the 200 Fantic is a far far better bike seems to escape these people!

[laser17]

In the US - we got the Yamaha TY 350's when the 250's were much better bikes. I always thought the SWM 240's were alot better than the jumbo's as well.

I think in the perfect world - many folks would be better riders if they learned on a smaller bike. Its kind of like riding in the wet - if your technique isn't spot on, you'll find out quick - vs grippy rocks that are very forgiving and mask mistakes.

But - in real life - people just love riding big grippy rocks! Nothing wrong with it IMO cause lets face it - were just in it for the fun.

[PSchrauber]

Originally Posted by laser17

In the US - we got the Yamaha TY 350's when the 250's were much better bikes. I always thought the SWM 240's were alot better than the jumbo's as well.

I think in the perfect world - many folks would be better riders if they learned on a smaller bike. Its kind of like riding in the wet - if your technique isn't spot on, you'll find out quick - vs grippy rocks that are very forgiving and mask mistakes.

But - in real life - people just love riding big grippy rocks! Nothing wrong with it IMO cause lets face it - were just in it for the fun.

The Yamaha TY mono with 250 cc is much snappier, to the SWM, here I personal like the 320 best, the 240 is good but can't every time used as lazy as the 320 which has 280cc. The Jumbo is a big bore in trials a little bit lame in low rews in higher rews you get too much.

I'am very pleased with my 320 so far, pic from yesterday:


A SWM would also be a good bike for a beginner if he stick's with twinshock, you don't need always a Fantic, certainly are the engine a little bit different but they are as competitive as the red ones in my personal view.

[Twin-shocker]

Originally Posted by Sting32

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Here's the f'ing problem, the last bike you owned is over 9/14 years old now. Riding styles changed, and I am concerned again that you thrust yourself into topics you have no f'ng clue what you are saying.

Apparently you dont read, the guy expressed that is his a BIG guy. the 300 by default (pro or economy pro) come with softer riding setups, IE the Delorto is a proven carb with the average rider in mind. Then you can tweak the hell out of the bikes. then I explained, assuming (THE OP) might have read other arguements in other threads, and is scared the bike will spook him, which I dont, since he rides the 450 now, and I know women that ride the hell out of 450's, and they have had to learn to cope with that power, surely anyone els can (assuming again, they want to compete in trials) that some think the 300 is so fucking scary, so I explain that you can tweak bikes, becuase I have ridden and improved the bike to match more of what I feel like I wanted it to be, for me. It is easier to a point to detune, than it is to make the worthless 125, ride about like the 250-300. Period.

I have spent that money, been there done that, bought the f'ing T-Shirt, you havent! TWINSHocker! so shut up already, you make assumptions when you havent even owned ANY of the bikes or mods we're talking about.

I agree at a small point, MOST "new to motorcycles but are older than age 25, probably wont pick the rm450, for the 1st bike to learn to ride either. THAT IS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO WHAT THIS WHOLE THREAD IS ABOUT>

But if I was going to start racing the bikes, and I have, then why would I handicap myself with my weight, and buy a trail 70? Are you fking nuts? We're talking about a person who is AROUND 250lbs and wants to commpete. He is only TALLTER than I have been most of my riding life...

LEts take this converstation back to the OP, this way...:

If I was asking the Motocross crowd about what bike do I want to be looking for, gave about the same info we got from the OP, and I told them I have a desire to start and compete in motocross:

So, you feel as though they would tell me to "stay away from the 250 2 strokes and the 450's?

Seriously

Like it or not no matter how much you rant on here, a trials beginner is always going to get better results on a smaller capacity bike!

[Twin-shocker]

Originally Posted by PSchrauber

The Yamaha TY mono with 250 cc is much snappier, to the SWM, here I personal like the 320 best, the 240 is good but can't every time used as lazy as the 320 which has 280cc. The Jumbo is a big bore in trials a little bit lame in low rews in higher rews you get too much.

I'am very pleased with my 320 so far, pic from yesterday:


A SWM would also be a good bike for a beginner if he stick's with twinshock, you don't need always a Fantic, certainly are the engine a little bit different but they are as competitive as the red ones in my personal view.

SWM can be found pretty easily here in the UK, and I would say that any TS bike is a good choice for a beginner, as you pretty much have to master the basics to ride one of these.