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Old 05-20-2012, 10:36 AM   #1
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Mystery bike! ID and info needed.

Last fall I was talking bikes with a friend and mentioned that I'd eventually like to have a 2 stroke street bike. He said he had one in his garage but that it hadn't run since 1985 and that it was mine if I wanted it.

This is what he dropped off yesterday. About all I know is that it's a 500cc Suzuki. He thought it was a '67 model but I'm pretty sure it's a bit newer than that. Overall condition is pretty poor. There are cracks on both sides of the headlight mounts and the wiring harness is pretty much shot.



It's fairly complete but the airbox, front fender and title are still AWOL. The odometer shows 18,200 miles. Not shown is a box of small parts, blinkers, badges, seat, etc.

I'd like to know

1. What is it?
2. What's it worth?
3. What I should do with it?

I have a bad feeling I'm looking at a parts bike and not a resto candidate.




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Old 05-20-2012, 03:46 PM   #2
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It is a Suzuki T500 Titan. It later evolved into the GT500 with an upgraded fork, disk brake and a larger tank.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzuki_T_series

http://www.motorcycleclassics.com/cl...zuki-t500.aspx

http://www.motorcycleclassics.com/cl...500-titan.aspx
(according ti this yours is a 1969 or later.

parts here:
http://www.reproductiondecals.com/paulmiller.html

What you have there is a very reliable 2 stroke that was pretty good in it's day. Probably not worth much now, and I bet that parts will be hard to find.

However if it was me, and I had a place, time and some$$$, I would probably do a cafe conversion. Back in the late 60s-early 70s, these were road raced somewhat successfully. I had/have copies of the factory porting specs and exhaust system drawings I got when I attended Suzuki's technician training in 1977.
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Old 05-20-2012, 04:36 PM   #3
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Yup, T 500 maybe around a 1970.

Looks like a parts bike by my standards. If a guy from area code 920 calls and offers you $25 for it.........tell him the guy with the '67 X-6 tells him to F**K OFF !
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Old 05-20-2012, 05:35 PM   #4
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Thanks for the info Andy!

Dang it, now you got me fired up. Now I'm gonna have to get the Titan fired up too. This thing is really growing on me. Kinda like a fungus...a rusty fungus.

Nice Bike Low Budget. Seen it yesterday. I really like the color. Wish I were closer.
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Old 05-20-2012, 09:45 PM   #5
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Everything you ever wanted to know...

but were afraid to ask: http://www.ozebook.com/compendium/t500index.htm
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Old 05-24-2012, 10:39 PM   #6
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Show us your badges (or even the chassis number...) and I'll tell you which model it is.

My guess at present is 1970 T500R.
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Old 05-25-2012, 09:32 PM   #7
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Show us your badges (or even the chassis number...) and I'll tell you which model it is.

My guess at present is 1970 T500R.
My guess is that you're 100% correct.

Here's a crappy pic of the badges that came with it. Maybe tomorrow I'll go look up the numbers.



I'm still not sure what to do with it. I know how these things go. It all starts with wanting to hear it run. That'll involve cleaning/rebuilding the carbs, fuel system, getting a battery and re-wiring it. Once it's running, then I'll just HAVE have to take it for a spin. This means tires, brakes, controls, plates, title, ect. From this point, I might as well go ahead and re-paint, re-build, re-plate and re-chrome everything.

If I think it'll take 2 years and $2,000, it'll end up being be more like 4 years and $4,000.

Been there, done that (got the 3 wheeler to prove it!). I did this a couple years ago. http://s589.photobucket.com/albums/s...view=slideshow
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Old 05-26-2012, 04:12 AM   #8
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No luggage rack/mountings on tank, so by badges I'd go for a T500-II, 1969.

Tend to agree with your assessments of time/cost.
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Old 05-29-2012, 08:25 PM   #9
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No luggage rack/mountings on tank, so by badges I'd go for a T500-II, 1969.

Tend to agree with your assessments of time/cost.
From what we have seen, I it does look to be a T500-II, 1969. However, I don't believe that is the correct seat pattern for '69, so I believe you might have a bitsa. The taillight is definitely 69-70. The badges are 69-70, and PJay nailed it since there is no luggage rack, that means it is NOT a '70 tank.
Does the headlight have a flat spot on the bottom? It should to be a '69.

The big question that will tell you how much it is going to cost will be the following:
a) How long has it been sitting? Have the crankseals gone bad? That's MAJOR $$$
b) Has the 4th and 5th gears grenaded yet, or did someone do the 1400cc mod? Can't tell without splitting the case usually

If the seals are good and the gears are good, it is worth getting it running, regardless of what you are missing.

Post the numbers and we can offer more help.

Also check the sundial forums:
http://www.suzuki2strokes.com/forum/index.php
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The badge on the head tube states that it had a manufacture date of 1-70. The case has some numbers stamped into it it just in front of the swing arm that says T500. That is followed by a 5 digit number that I would assume is it's VIN. That number also matches the frame numbers.

The headlight does have a flat spot on the lower portion of it.

The bike was last run in 1985 and according to my friend Mark, it ran when he gave it to his friend Jimmy. It was Jimmy who partially disassembled it. When I mentioned to Mark that I always wanted a two stroke street bike, Mark went and got the bike from Jimmy and then hauled it to my place.

Can I assume that testing the crank seals is done the same way on this bike as it is on a weed wacker (blocking off the intake and exhaust and then pressurizing the crankcase) or is there a different procedure?

I noticed that the gasket area between the heads and crankcase has some red RTV showing. It is thin and was NOT applied to the outside, so I have to assume that the heads have been off before. Neither Mark nor Jimmy are mechanically inclined so I highly doubt either one of 'em did any serious work to it.

Unfortunately, I am running really short on time and just haven't been able to give this thing any attention. I'm planning a cross country trip on my DR650 and that has been eatting all my time and money. It might be a while before I am able to really dig into this machine.
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Old 05-30-2012, 10:58 PM   #11
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One thing you would want to concern yourself with is whether it has had the transmission fluid level mod done. If it hasn't, it may have 4th and 5th gear wear that you'll need to fix. There is a wealth of information on the Ozebook site linked above. Crank seals are getting real hard to source on these as well. I got one off ebay 7 years ago for a song.... it had all the above. Gave it away. There are some pictures of the trany issues on my flickr page. Link below.
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Old 05-31-2012, 02:24 AM   #12
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numbers stamped into it it just in front of the swing arm that says T500. That is followed by a 5 digit number that I would assume is it's VIN.

Gimme the numbers, bud. My 1970 T500R was 33126.
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Old 05-31-2012, 11:33 AM   #13
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numbers stamped into it it just in front of the swing arm that says t500. That is followed by a 5 digit number that i would assume is it's vin.

Gimme the numbers, bud. My 1970 t500r was 33126.
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Old 06-03-2012, 03:12 AM   #14
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Yeah, I make that a T500-II, even though manufacture looks like Jan 1970.
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