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Old 06-18-2012, 11:23 PM   #31
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I found the most popular, beautiful canyon run in Colorado last summer on my old Tiger. Ended up behind a Lotus Elise who's driver appreciated the curves as much as I. I was dragging pegs trying to keep up with him. Had to back off before I screwed up and landed in the river, which leads me to believe hot cars can outcorner most bikes, hands down. I got schooled. And I always thought otherwise. Now somebody confirm that skis out-corner snowboards.
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Old 06-19-2012, 02:09 AM   #32
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... which leads me to believe hot cars can outcorner most bikes, hands down.
I dunno... Take a peek at the Nurburgring and it's not obvious that's the case. Trouble is, as several posts have already noted, the moto rider can't overstep the grip limit without the high likelihood of a fall, whereas the cage driver can do so and expect to be able to save the situation (most of the time) as in this vid at 1:14. What this means, surely, is that there are few circumstances in which the average bike rider pushing reasonably hard is likely to outcorner a better-than-average car driver pushing reasonably hard. Doesn't mean that a skilled rider can't do it...
When it comes to absolute fastest laps of the 'Ring, the evidence seems to be that there is not much to choose between two wheels and four and it takes a serious motor with a serious driver to get under the 7'30" that several bikers have posted. I'd guess that a skilled and experienced rider on a quick bike will beat most drivers even in stuff like Caterhams. And as for the Isle of Man TT circuit...

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Old 06-19-2012, 04:19 AM   #33
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FWIW, the 'ring is very friendly to lighter vehicles, and there are serveral sections where it is simply impossible to move a car around the surface quickly enough - again, size and shorter wheelbase are big benefits. Particularly if the GP course is included.
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Old 06-19-2012, 04:44 AM   #34
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I spent five years living a short distance from the ring. I've done a lot of time on that track, and ran it with every vehicle I owned during that time including a muddy Rubicon.

Some of the tightest turns are banked, which helps you swing an M5 around without stopping. Nevertheless, the bikes always spin these a little faster.

The flat curves are owned by the cars. Controlled loss of traction rules. Just watch Sabine run her M5, she stays at the edge of traction at almost every curve.

Where the motorcycle shines is coming out of the curves. The motorcycle behind you in the curve will certainly blast past you in the first 50m after the curve.

All that being said, I really miss the ring. It was always fun, no matter what I was driving.

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Old 06-20-2012, 01:49 AM   #35
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Where the motorcycle shines is coming out of the curves. The motorcycle behind you in the curve will certainly blast past you in the first 50m after the curve.
For sure, acceleration is our primary weapon. But, surely, if the motorcycle behind you in the curve is close enough to blast past in the first 50m following, it must have been holding station through the curve rather than losing ground.
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Old 09-05-2013, 11:45 AM   #36
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Recently road the same off ramp. Got around closer to 90 mph, then on the slight strait leeding off it, acceleratud to get he guy in the porch behind me to speed up and rat race.

I may be a 63 year old woman, but I have no sense. :-)
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Old 09-05-2013, 12:02 PM   #37
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Recently road the same off ramp. Got around closer to 90 mph, then on the slight strait leeding off it, acceleratud to get he guy in the porch behind me to speed up and rat race.

I may be a 63 year old woman, but I have no sense. :-)

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Old 09-05-2013, 12:45 PM   #38
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Recently road the same off ramp. Got around closer to 90 mph, then on the slight strait leeding off it, acceleratud to get he guy in the porch behind me to speed up and rat race.

I may be a 63 year old woman, but I have no sense. :-)
A blonde canvassed a wealthy neighborhood looking for odd jobs. She went to the front door of the first house and asked the owner if he had anything for her to do.

"Well, you can paint my porch. How much will you charge?"

"How about $50?"

The man agreed and told her the paint was in the garage. A short time later, the blonde came to the door to collect her money.

"You're finished already?" he asked.

"Yes," the blonde answered, "and I had paint left over, so I gave it two coats." Impressed, the man reached in his pocket for the $50.

"And by the way," the blonde added, "that's not a Porch, it's a Ferrari."
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Old 09-05-2013, 01:00 PM   #39
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I got to ride in a Campagna T-Rex once, wear your seat belts

the manufacturer claims 1.9g, not sure if it really does or not but it certainly feels like it will
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Old 09-05-2013, 01:08 PM   #40
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I am quite a bit faster in my wife's Subaru Impreza coupe than on a bike; even my old XL600 supermoto. 4 wheel slides in an AWD car are a real hoot. I used to call the Subie a poor man's Porsche, until I rode with my uncle in his 911 twin turbo. Now I just call it poor...

He spends weekends out running sport bikes in the SoCal hills. Thanks to volunteering the car as an R&D test mule, it has at least 600hp.

As a side note; I'm really disappointed to hear how low the lateral G number is on the Abarth. I'm pretty sure I achieved similar numbers in my Geo Metro convertible.
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Old 09-05-2013, 02:22 PM   #41
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I always make better time on my bike because of exit acceleration, but I'll never overcook an entrance on my bike, and usually end up undercooking them quite a bit.

On my Mazdaspeed 3, I can overcook corners all I want. All it means is the back end slides out a bit and I can power through. Not so much on the bike.

Also with the Dynamic Stability Control (or whatever the manufacturer calls their traction control/braking assist electronic gizmos) you can be going as fast as you want, turn the wheel as hard as you want, and the car will do the rest. Albeit at below capacity if you are a good driver, but if you aren't then it makes you look like a near-wizard.



Wrong.

So the gizmos on your car just automatically suspend the laws of physics.

Your post is the perfect example of why most people should never give riding/driving advice because they just don't have a frickin clue what they are talking about.
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Old 09-05-2013, 03:04 PM   #42
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Too funny - I need to find the manual for my car to quote it, but paraphrasing it says: Note - DTC is an important safety feature, but it will not allow you to violate the laws of physics!
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Old 09-05-2013, 09:36 PM   #43
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You're doing it wrong.

Never be embarrassed if you aren't as fast as the next guy, be embarassed if you aren't having more fun. It ain't a race, man!
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Old 09-07-2013, 02:03 PM   #44
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I do hope that the respondent who worried about my lack of grammar skills is aware that this is merely play. I am really one of the leading grammar nazis on the interwebs. Every once in a while I love to play with the forms and style of the language.

Like the proper line through a curve, the proper line through a sentence can be fun to violate, if done with the aim of not harming yourself.


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Old 09-07-2013, 06:33 PM   #45
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I do hope that the respondent who worried about my lack of grammar skills is aware that this is merely play. I am really one of the leading grammar nazis on the interwebs. Every once in a while I love to play with the forms and style of the language.

Like the proper line through a curve, the proper line through a sentence can be fun to violate, if done with the aim of not harming yourself.

A professional writer friend of mine once told me that the only reason to learn the rules of grammar is so you can break them and make more money
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