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Old 06-17-2012, 08:06 PM   #16
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Just be aware that the 2010 rear suspension if 245mm, and the 2011/2012 rear is only 225mm. The 2008 S is 265mm.... Ignore what the catalog says, this is based on me removing the shocks and reading what the spring stamp says.

The forks are correct as advertised: 2010 = 265mm and 2011 = 245mm.

The suspension travel makes a big difference, says someone who has a 2011 R and have swapped it with a 2008 S suspension, and never looked back...



That's strange, mine and the two other 2010 990R's I know all have 265mm of travel front and rear.
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Old 06-17-2012, 10:28 PM   #17
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Suspension improvements in 2011?

I remember reading a magazine article that the 990R suspension was retuned and improved when suspension travel was reducend for the 2011 model year. It sounded like the 990R had better overall suspension than the standard 990 after this revision. Sorry, can't find the article ...
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Old 06-18-2012, 02:49 AM   #18
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That's strange, mine and the two other 2010 990R's I know all have 265mm of travel front and rear.
I know... weird. I've taken apart a 2010 R and the spring was stamped 245mm, even though it was meant to have 265mm.
Sitting my bike (with the 2008S suspension) next to a few 2010 Rs - mine is taller, even though for those bikes I could not see the spring stamp.

Likewise the catalog and all information for 2011 says 245mm, whereas the removed spring is 225mm (sitting on my garage floor).
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Old 06-18-2012, 06:52 AM   #19
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I know... weird. I've taken apart a 2010 R and the spring was stamped 245mm, even though it was meant to have 265mm.
Sitting my bike (with the 2008S suspension) next to a few 2010 Rs - mine is taller, even though for those bikes I could not see the spring stamp.

Likewise the catalog and all information for 2011 says 245mm, whereas the removed spring is 225mm (sitting on my garage floor).
The eye to eye shock length or shaft length will tell you how much travel it has not the spring, you can (I won't recommend it) run shorter or slightly longer springs on the same shock. The eye to eye is what you need to look at not a label on the spring.

Also preload plays a huge factor in how the bike sits static (on its own). A stock spring will sit much lower then a spring for a 250bls rider.

Your bike looks awesome by the way.
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Old 06-18-2012, 07:45 AM   #20
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Back to the OP. You will need to think very carefully about your intended use, I also had to make the difficult decision between and R and non-R and given my intended use went the non-R for the following reasons. At a normal build 5'10" or 180cm the 2011 R at 245mm was a slight stretch for me (tip toes) while I could comfortably flat foot the non-R. The overall lower non-R means better fast road handling due to the lower CoG. The ABS may be a factor as well (for me it was a negative, I preferred to have the extra under seat space and save 2kg but still went the non-R). The power difference is a non-issue; you can flash your non-R to R if you really must have the extra 5 poofteenths at 15 zillion RPM, but most people don't bother. The extra travel of the R may be useful at times, but the the lower CoG will be useful all of the time.

My intended riding is mostly fast dirt outback roads here in Aus. I felt for any riding where I would genuinely need all of the travel of a R, I'd probably want something a lot lighter and more dirt orientated. Your own needs may be different - but for me the non-R was the choice.

One final point, the 'quality' of the suspension between the R and non-R is identical; they both use high quality fully adjustable WP suspension front and rear and identical spring rates - the only difference is the travel. Frankly in my limited time with my 2011 non-R I have been astounded by some of the hits I have taken on this bike and the way it just soaks it up. My only recommendation would be to put slightly heavier front/fork springs in and revalve to suit the new spring rate (I went for 0.56) - otherwise great suspension on both versions of the 990.

Don't get too hung up on the R vs non-R debate, you need to make your own choice for you own needs, neither is intrinsically better than the other. You won't be disappointed with either.
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Old 06-18-2012, 08:50 AM   #21
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Im pretty sure in 2012 the only difference is the ABS and the computer mapping. the previous years R were taller, but now theyre all the same... (pretty darn sure)
talking to a dealer down in Texas Saturday, you can get all the power for a half hour of labor with the R mapping in the standard 990.
i just bought a 990 adventure because i couldnt justify the price difference between the two. also i have found out i realy like abs... that skinny front tire on the road likes to skid without it.
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Old 06-18-2012, 09:21 AM   #22
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suspension on R

all right....but
2009 R has got 265 mm,as the S version.

from 2010....they became 245mm
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Old 06-18-2012, 09:35 AM   #23
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The ABS is the biggest difference since the newer models have boosted power and the R models have reduced travel. The differences are less and less.
Here are some facts from the HOW

Adventure Suspension Travel:
2003-04: 9.0" (230mm) - "S" 10.4" (265mm)
2005-06: 8.3" (210mm) - "S" 9.65" (245mm)
2007-08: 8.3" (210mm) - "S" 10.4" (265mm)
2009-10: 8.3" (210mm) - "R" 10.4" (265mm)
2011-12: 8.3" (210mm) - "R" 9.76" (248mm)

Adventure Seat Height:
2003-04: 34.6" (880mm) - "S" 36.0" (915mm)
2005-06: 33.8" (860mm) - "S" 35.2" (895mm)
2007-08: 33.8" (860mm) - "S" 36.0" (915mm)
2009-10: 33.8" (860mm) - "R" 36.0" (915mm)
2011-12: 33.8" (860mm) - "R" 35.2" (895mm)
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Old 06-18-2012, 09:55 AM   #24
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When you look at changing susp height, don't forget to include the cost of a longer sidestand/ centerstand as well.

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Old 06-18-2012, 03:15 PM   #25
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Im pretty sure in 2012 the only difference is the ABS and the computer mapping. the previous years R were taller, but now theyre all the same... (pretty darn sure)
talking to a dealer down in Texas Saturday, you can get all the power for a half hour of labor with the R mapping in the standard 990.
i just bought a 990 adventure because i couldnt justify the price difference between the two. also i have found out i realy like abs... that skinny front tire on the road likes to skid without it.
just got a call back from my dealership in MN (im trying to schedule a computer remap to the R map) and he confirmed all 2012 models now have the R mapping, and his guy at KTM says you can put the R map into the earlier ecus with great results.
suspension is still different but not as tall as it used to be.
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Old 08-14-2012, 01:55 PM   #26
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From KTM USA website:

2012 990 Adventure:

Power: 113.3 HP

Front suspension travel: 210mm (8.27 inches)

Rear suspension travel: 210mm (8.27 inches)

Weight without fuel: 209.5 kg (461.9 lbs)

2012 990 Adventure R:

Power: 113.3 HP

Front suspension travel: 245mm (9.65 inches)

Rear suspension travel: 245mm (9.65 inches)

Weight without fuel: 207 kg (456 lbs)
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Old 08-14-2012, 03:01 PM   #27
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what kind of tire is that with the red stripe looks pretty sweet

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Old 08-14-2012, 05:36 PM   #28
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what kind of tire is that with the red stripe looks pretty sweet
It's a Mitas C-02
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Old 08-14-2012, 06:56 PM   #29
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i am sure this is a completely different debate, but i prefer no ABS and a taller ground clearance, so it sounds like i need/want the R. sucks, because the 990 i was looking at for cheap is a non R.
The difference in suspension travel is about an inch & a half. For a big bike like this the 8+ inch travel of the regular version isn't lacking but if you really need the extra travel, go for it. You can turn off the ABS on the regular but if you don't ever want it, even on the road, then yes it would be more convenient for you to not have it in the first place.

You're coming across a bit like making an excuse: "Oohh I so want one but only if it's an R, and an R costs too much, so boo hoo, I can't get what I want, there's not a cheap conversion." If you want an R and thing you really need one, then get an R Or shaddup, LOL!!!).
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Old 08-15-2012, 01:18 AM   #30
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The R travel is the same with 2003/4 low suspension travel.

You could exchange your suspension with an older guy's suspension. That is what I have done, with no cash involved.
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