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Old 06-20-2012, 04:10 AM   #16
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It depends on how you ride on-road.

If your just using the road wheels, to get down the road and don't need better road holding, the 21" would be just fine. But with only a spare hub, you could go for the 19" front.

However, the Pirelli MT90 is not available with a proper size tire for the 19" front. You would need a 100/90-19 or 110/80-19 front tire. So you would either mix and match tire models/ brands, or look for another brand.

You could definately keep the spare stock 2,50 x 18 rear wheel. You could then go for a MT90 for the rear in 140/80-18 and a Scorpion Trail 100/90-19 for the front. For normal road riding, those sizes would be good enough.

There are a few bikes that come standard with similair front/ back wheels. The advantage of the 19" front would be the availability of more road tires. The 2,50 x 18 rear is a bit more difficult to find road tires for. However, there are still plenty off road tires available:
On the 2,50 x 18 rim, you could also fit a 130 width tire (130/90 or 130/80 or 130/70-18)
With the standard wheels (21/18) you could also mount Heidenau K60 Scout, very good on the road, ok for light off-road.

In short.
With the 19" you have even more choice for road oriented tires. But unless you go with a matching wider rear wheel, you might not benefit from the 19" wider front rim for the road. Considering resale of the spare wheels later on, going to a 3.50 x 17 front wheel and using the spare rear wheel to relace that hub to a 5.00x17 wheel, you could have a Supermoto set, for road riding, which are easy to sell again, the 19" front, althoug I really like it, might not be so easy to sell.

The choice for me to go with the 19/17 wider wheels, was to have the choice to mount aggressive tires, that work well both an- and off-road. For pure street riding at moderate pace, the 21/18 are more than adequate, for aggressive road riding, go with 17/17 Supermoto. Or 19/17 with sport-touring tires.

Good luck with your choice.

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Old 06-20-2012, 04:24 AM   #17
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120x18" D606 Dunlop rear, 100x19" Trials front on the XS650 works a treat!

But I could see that on a lighter bike, what the initial post said would apply, I can remember being on my arse more than once when I lived in Canberra, black ice & 21" knobbies don't mix well when you're riding a DT175 to work!

K70 350x19" front - 120x16" K460 rear, works well in most conditions,

including this white shit!

Thinking about changing this 23" to a 19" on this XL500S & doing a 'special' build of some sort - maybe Motard?
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Old 06-21-2012, 12:32 PM   #18
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Australia, your lucky to live there, for off-road riding i think that woul dbe a great country. We have a lot off off-road places in the Netherlands, however, most of those roads are closed for trafic. And off-roading through forests is treated almost as iff your some big criminal.
Once considered moving to australia, just after i was finished with my studies. But never happened.

..............

So after almost 4000 km (2500 miles) on the current set of Continental TKC80, which i bought second hand. I'm starting to look for a replacement tire. Really really really like the TKC80, for me they work great both on- and off-road. But now ther rear is getting near to having to be replaced. Well, probably will get another 1000 km or more out of the rear before it is really at the wear bars, but no harm in having a replacement tire ready.

So at first i would just get a new or near new TKC80 to replace the old tire. I replace tires myself, so can save quite some money that way.

However, i would consider some other tires, why not.
Anybody have some experience with these:
All of course in the 150/70-17 size.
(101,64 euro / 127,59 Dollar) Mitas E-10
(118,63 euro / 148,92 Dollar) Continental TKC80
(88,10 euro / 110,59 Dollar) Metzeler Karoo T
(81,29 euro / 102,04 Dollar) Metzeler Karoo
(116,60 euro / 146,37 Dollar) Pirelli Scorpion Rally

These are prices when i buy them from my regular place of the internet. Tried on marktplaats.nl (e-bay like site) but currently nothing available.
Also looked at other makes, such as Shinko, Sava, Kenda, Maxxis, Mefo etc. But nothing available.

Use the bike in all conditions, on-road, off-road, rain, cold, hot. etc. So good road manners are wanted, but also want nice off-road abilities. Tire wear is not that important, as long as it is in reasonable, if it lasts 5000 km that's fine with me.

I'll keep you informed what i end up going with.

I've also used Heidenau K60 Scout before, but the 150/70-17 seems like it won't handle off-road that well.
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Old 06-21-2012, 03:33 PM   #19
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I'm looking to go the other way. I'm getting to a point where my speed on the straights on rocky trails is fast enough to trash my 17" rims. I need more sidewall for the square rocks. Also some knobs would give me a faster corner speed I think.

Have 3.5 and 5.0 x 17" rims and air down to 15 to 18 psi for trail work. It works very well for what it is. Phenom braking and little wheelspin on loose climbs. The 160 rear has a massive footprint at 15 psi. Can climb slow or fast without hardly any kickout.




To keep my forks and radial caliper I'm thinking of getting a 19 x 3.5 complete front wheel and a 4.25 x 17" rear rim. I've already got spokes and a Kush hub. The 4.25 would give me many d/s tire options. A 21" wheel has caliper/spoke interference problems.

Or I could just get a tire changer and go with a taller front 17" for trails. Mark where the weights and valve stem are so balancing is a non issue.

Not going up these at speeds. Just tractor up slowly and pick a good line. The street tire hooks up well and can loft the front up easily.

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Old 06-21-2012, 04:42 PM   #20
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I'm enjoying mine seems like the perfect combo for 20% hard pack/ gravel and 80% pavement type riding.







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Old 06-21-2012, 06:11 PM   #21
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I'm looking to go the other way. I'm getting to a point where my speed on the straights on rocky trails is fast enough to trash my 17" rims. I need more sidewall for the square rocks. Also some knobs would give me a faster corner speed I think.

Have 3.5 and 5.0 x 17" rims and air down to 15 to 18 psi for trail work. It works very well for what it is. Phenom braking and little wheelspin on loose climbs. The 160 rear has a massive footprint at 15 psi. Can climb slow or fast without hardly any kickout.




To keep my forks and radial caliper I'm thinking of getting a 19 x 3.5 complete front wheel and a 4.25 x 17" rear rim. I've already got spokes and a Kush hub. The 4.25 would give me many d/s tire options. A 21" wheel has caliper/spoke interference problems.
Sweet berg. I think most are running skinnier than 3.5 on the 19s, don't know. The narrow rims are tougher?

I made one out of a 2.15 x 19 rear MX rim:

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Old 06-22-2012, 02:40 AM   #22
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Great looking DR, in much nicer condition than mine. WHeels look good on the bike


@ dentvet
I really like the Ninja / Versys 650 DS build. Would even consider doing one myself, but just too much work for me. Besides, i don't have a garage/ spare money/ spare time to build one. But would be a great bike.

@ Idle
Nice Husaberg.

For a 19" front wheel you indeed go with either a 2,15 or 2,50 or 2,75 wide rim.
Then you can mount a 100/90-19 or 110/80-19 tire. Plenty of dual-sport or even knobby tires.

For off-road you would go for a slightly narrower rim, so the rim is protected from inpact by the tire.

You could also use more rain type tires on the current rims for better off-road bite, for instance:
Heidenau K73
Goldspeed rains
Dunlop Sportmax Mutant
Avon Rain Extreme
Avon Distanzia
etc.
SM wheels can work very well off-road. I went off-roading with a friend with a TT-R 600 with SM wheels and his bike was even more stable in loose sand then my DR 650 with the 21/17 Heidenau K60 Scouts!? As long as there is no mud and you don't have to brake to hard, sports-tires work very well.

You can keep the stock rear rim, use tires as above and lace up a 19" rim for the front for off-roading with an aggresive dual-sport tire. And keep a stock front for the sport tires. Selling the spare hub you have could be a start to a new front wheel. There are so many options. Or try and get a spare set of 21/18 tires from another Husaberg?

For me next time i will absolutely keep the standard set of 21/18 wheels with knobbies for enduro riding.
And get a second set of 19/17 wider rims with dual-purpose tires for everything else
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Old 06-22-2012, 05:45 AM   #23
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Here's some photos of tyres that I use on my XS650's


L - R ; Dunlop K460 [120 x 16"], Dunlop D606 [120 x 18"], Dunlop [100 x 19"], Metzler ME880 [130 x 16"],

my favourite front tyre - Dunlop K70 [350 x 19"], great allrounder with good dirt ablilities
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Old 06-22-2012, 08:53 PM   #24
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i just built a 18x2.15 front wheel for my dakar. i can now run 35.00 front tires in a 4.60x18 size.cant wait to air it down and try the trails!
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Old 06-22-2012, 08:55 PM   #25
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the 4.60 tire barely fits in the yz forks
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Old 06-23-2012, 01:50 AM   #26
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the 4.60 tire barely fits in the yz forks
What brand & type is that tyre??
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Old 06-23-2012, 03:44 AM   #27
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[QUOTE=Thanas;18915425]This thread would be for all the bikes converted to "adventure wheels"
That would be a 2.15 / 2.50 / 2.75 x 19 front wheel and a 4.00 / 4.25 / 4.50 x 17 rear wheel.

I've converted my DR 650 to "adventure wheels" and am curious how many others have also done so.

Here a pic of my bike:


I've used the front wheel of a (european) Suzuki XF 650 Freewind and the rear is a Warp9 rim laced to the standard hub.

I was first contemplating going to a Supermoto set-up, but I really wanted good performance off-road. I know it's not as great as a true 21/18 set of wheels with knobbies. But 21/18 is definately less than ideal when on wet pavement. To me the "adventure wheel" set-up works just right both on- and off-road. Nest time thoug, i will go with 2 sets of wheels, the 21/18 for enduro/ off-road riding. and a 19/17 set for everyday type of adventuring. I've got a set of COntinental TKC80's on, 110/80-19 front and 150/70-17 rear. Works awesome!

Let's see some pictures and stories!


I'm specifically interested to see an KTM 690 Enduro or a BMW G 650 X Challenge in this configuration.

Greetings,
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Has to be the best set up for a South American tour.I've built mines with 17",but my brain keeps
telling me to go to a 19" front with a 150/17" rear.Only my short legs put me off and i'm not one
for lowering the rear as it screws up the cornering! 21" is just dire on the road,especially on twisty
mountain roads!

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Old 06-23-2012, 08:27 AM   #28
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Nice Husaberg.

For a 19" front wheel you indeed go with either a 2,15 or 2,50 or 2,75 wide rim.
Then you can mount a 100/90-19 or 110/80-19 tire. Plenty of dual-sport or even knobby tires.

For off-road you would go for a slightly narrower rim, so the rim is protected from inpact by the tire.

You could also use more rain type tires on the current rims for better off-road bite, for instance:
Heidenau K73
Goldspeed rains
Dunlop Sportmax Mutant
Avon Rain Extreme
Avon Distanzia
etc.
SM wheels can work very well off-road. I went off-roading with a friend with a TT-R 600 with SM wheels and his bike was even more stable in loose sand then my DR 650 with the 21/17 Heidenau K60 Scouts!? As long as there is no mud and you don't have to brake to hard, sports-tires work very well.


Been there, done that. I started with distanzias front and rear. In the middle of my second rear 160/60, I ditched the front and got an Avon pro extreme rain front. What a great tire, rarely ever stepped out, off road and had great grip on pavement. I got 4,000 miles out of it and it still had some tread on the side. I gave it to a friend. I have a new one in my living room I'm saving for a rainy day.

The Avon rain is discontinued, they quit making it about a year ago. None are available in the states. They may be availible in Europe, but will be tough to find soon. The rear in the pic is a 160/60-17 Heidenau K73. It never felt right in fast corners and turn-in was weird. It had an abrupt transition, almost square feeling.

This is with 5psi, I ran it around my neighborhood to try and get it broke in.



It's a really heavy, stiff tire. It worked great in the dirt and i rode a good amount of trails with it.
The weird turn in was from two things IMO. It's mounted width on my 5" rim at 25psi was 157 mm. It had an abrupt profile, it may have worked better on a 4.25" rim.

The otter reason was maybe due to mis-matched tire type. Bias-ply K73 rear and the radial Avon rain front. It had great grip on pavement but I only felt comfortable pushing it on slower tight roads. It was $140 vs $200 for the distanzia in a 160.

Thanks for clearing up the 19" rim sizes for me. I'll check into that.



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Old 06-23-2012, 09:42 AM   #29
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What brand & type is that tyre??
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hi, its a shinko 244 dualsport tire in a 4.60x18. they are made to run on front or rear and in any direction. many sizes to choose from and are super cheap in price. they are the longest lasting knobby type tire i have used too.
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Old 06-24-2012, 03:26 AM   #30
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I liked the Heidenau K73 also. The front was fine, the rear indeed had a slight strange shape. Flat in the middle and very steep at the sides. Never really got to the edge of the rear tire (chickenstrips). Never had any handling problems, but they did spit me off the bike once, at very slow speed with a damp road, a little bit too much lean angle and a bit too much throttle (and perhaps the white paint on the road also helped).
Result:

I never got to try them an a Supermoto though.

They did get me up here though:



I guess there are a few examples here that 21/18 is'nt neccesary to have a great off-road machine. I guess 18"front and back works also. Of evne 19" front and back. Or 17"s

I wish i could get Kenda or Shinko in my country through my normal internet tire place. Really would liek to try some of them.

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