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Old 10-22-2012, 08:09 AM   #136
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Our local dealer in Sacramento is reporting early November delivery...
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Old 10-23-2012, 07:39 PM   #137
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San Jose BMW has theirs and a demo.
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Old 10-23-2012, 08:05 PM   #138
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They are ready for delivery here in Mexico. Too expensive for a scooter don't care if it's BMW or whatever, for $500 uds you can get a 2012 F800GS or a F800R and get some change.
$12300 usd. for the C600 Sport
$12700 usd. for the C650 GT
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Old 10-23-2012, 10:57 PM   #139
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If they were "real" BMWs they might be worth their high price, but they are Kymcos with a BMW badge. Maybe I should put Vespa badges on my Stella and double it's value.
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Old 10-24-2012, 01:04 AM   #140
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If they were "real" BMWs they might be worth their high price, but they are Kymcos with a BMW badge. Maybe I should put Vespa badges on my Stella and double it's value.
If they were real BMWs, we'd be talking about expected issues now.
This is a win/win situation.
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Old 10-24-2012, 06:34 AM   #141
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If they were "real" BMWs they might be worth their high price, but they are Kymcos with a BMW badge. Maybe I should put Vespa badges on my Stella and double it's value.
The world operates in a global economy now. You should probably get used to it.
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Old 10-24-2012, 06:39 AM   #142
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If they were "real" BMWs they might be worth their high price, but they are Kymcos with a BMW badge. Maybe I should put Vespa badges on my Stella and double it's value.
OK.....in like manner, If your Stella were a "real" Stella, it might be worth it. It's just an LML scooter with a Stella badge. And in your case, there is *nothing* Genuine about it except for the badge.

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Old 10-24-2012, 10:55 AM   #143
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OK.....in like manner, If your Stella were a "real" Stella, it might be worth it. It's just an LML scooter with a Stella badge. And in your case, there is *nothing* Genuine about it except for the badge.
And it's probably better then the original Vespa, just like the BMW is
probably better with the engine from Kymco.
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Old 10-24-2012, 01:26 PM   #144
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And it's probably better then the original Vespa, just like the BMW is
probably better with the engine from Kymco.
There are a couple of important differences to note:

BMW is having the motor (only) made by Kymco, the rest of the bike is made by BMW. Engine design, specifications, scooter design, and final assembly are done in Germany under BMW's quality control standards.

LML designs, specifies, and makes the P150 type scooter all in India, and their metallurgy and standards are not as high as Piaggio's were when they made the P series. Genuine and other scooter importers bought the LML scooters, stuck their name on it, and called it the Stella, or the Star, or the Belladonna, as the market warranted.

Honestly, the Stella 2T isn't a bad scooter for the price, in fact once they got the broken crank problems of the first shipments fixed they were a good deal for the price.

My point to Jerry was tongue-in-cheek....he seems to be trying to imply the BMW scooter is a rebadged Kymco (which it is not) yet he himself is riding a rebadged LML. I just found it funny.

Though I don't like globalization myself (I'd rather see the US manufacturing base busy rather than exporting jobs) it is pretty much the standard these days. Cars, trucks, and motorcycles all have parts sourced from all over the world, and it's getting difficult to say a vehicle is American, Italian, German, Japanese, Korean, etc.
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Old 10-24-2012, 01:34 PM   #145
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San Jose BMW has theirs and a demo.
Just got the call and mine will be ready middle of next week. Stand back for the happy dance!!!
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Old 10-24-2012, 01:42 PM   #146
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Old 10-24-2012, 04:21 PM   #147
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Of the happy dance??? My restraining order says I can't do that within 1 hr of any given meal time (2 hrs if I'm wearing spandex)
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Old 10-24-2012, 05:07 PM   #148
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The Stella is built entirely by LML. The "Star" actually has the LML name, it is not a fake. The body/frame on the Stella is probably better than the original Vespa, it is built out of heavier metal, and is solid as a rock. Should last forever. The electronics are poor, my start button failed shortly after buying it new, I rewired the kill switch as a start button, and it is still working over 2 years later. The engine is also of poor quality, it has a 1200 mile break in period, and if not followed, it will actually break. It may break anyway. All Stellas are prone to top end and crank bearing seizures. It is generally recommended that you ride them with your left hand over the clutch at all times, so you can pull it in quickly if the engine starts to seize, to avoid crashing. I have almost 12,000 miles on mine, and it still runs, but 15,000 is the average life of a top end. And I certainly don't ride it at WOT all day like I do my Vino 125 and Zuma 125. It would have seized up long ago.

There is a local vintage Vespa shop nearby that said they can build me a bulletproof engine for about $1000, using parts like Malossi and Polini. So I started doing research about the Stella/Vespa engine, and came up with what I think would be a very high quality engine using such parts. Until I got the Stella, I was completely unfamiliar with the design of vintage Vespas. So when the stock engine goes, I am going to build a better one, not rebuild the stock one with LML parts.
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Old 10-24-2012, 05:45 PM   #149
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Sounds like a good plan, Jerry. You'll have a solid runner for years to come.
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Old 10-25-2012, 03:03 AM   #150
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We get them under the LML name here, and from what I've heard, they
handle and brake better then original Vespas, and a lot of people say they're
built better.

I never spent much time with an original to compare, but the LML seems fine.

Also, most people here buy the 4 stroke 150 for it's nonexistent fuel
consumption.
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