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Old 05-20-2005, 06:15 AM   #1
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Garmin City Navigator version 6

City Navigator v6 mapping is starting to ship with units.
GPSOZ have it on a PC if you want to check it out.

Upgrade CDs are expected next week


Rough sizes and number of segments per state
(segments do not line up with state boundarys);

WA - 20 MB, 13 segments
NT - 7 MB, 10
SA - 17 MB, 11
Qld - 35 MB, 15
NSW - 48 MB, 21
Vic - 33 MB, 17
Tas - 3 MB, 4

All of Australia 132.2 MB, 68 map segments

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Old 05-22-2005, 09:20 PM   #2
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I hope its better than the current version they've got out at the moment - CN5 that is.

I'm in Sydney and wanted to 'find' Putty - nope

how about 'Bucketty ? - nope

ok theyre fairly small - try Wollombi - guess what ? NOPE ?

Is it me ?

Couldn't take me between Wollombi and Wisemans ferry either - down the convict trail ?

maybe theres a setting i missed ??

I'm open to suggestions here........
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Old 05-22-2005, 10:15 PM   #3
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Yes, it's a shitload* better
(*technical term)

What a lot of people did before is load MetroGuide as well and swap over in rural areas as MG had a load more rural coverage. MG did not autoroute of course.

Now CNA v6 is like MGA v4 plus corrections plus 2/3 street minor towns plus more forest/park areas plus more accurate waterways and lakefronts/coastlines. Has a lot more POI too.

Putty is there
All of the road to Wollombi is there
Dirt tracks between the Putty and Wollombi are there
Still not complete but really useful in rural areas now.

Of course if you want all of Australia you need to buy a new 256 MB memory card


Selling my 128 MB Garmin data card for AU$140 (will hold 95% of Australia).
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Old 05-22-2005, 10:24 PM   #4
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Thanks Burnie - perhaps i'll have to buy the damn upgrade.

or ......

Putting aside any Garmin loyalties - is there another system out there that has better mapping at the moment - specifically in NSW ?

I'm thinking Magellan or even PDA based stuff - TomTom - is there a microsoft version ?? .

I've got ozyexplorer maps - they look great on a PC - but what GPS can i use them on ?

What i'm really saying is - Would i be better putting my $125 towards another system and letting Herself have the SP3 for the car ?
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Old 05-22-2005, 10:33 PM   #5
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Magellans DiscoverAus mapping has better rural coverage.
Generally I say about 90% versus about 70% in Garmins MetroGuide (now also available in City Navigator) of dirt tracks in NSW.
The Garmin screens are better tho and, personally, I prefer the Garmin interface. Everything is a trade off.

Tomtom is supposed to be coming into Australia sometime but nobody knows who the distributor is let alone what mapping they will be using.
Currently the only autorouting mapsets are from Sensis and MapInfo.
Garmin (and TravRoute and Navman and VDO) are using Sensis which is considered to be the best.

OziExplorer on a PDA is probably the best mapping but I do not believe that the devices are robust enough. Also, the 1:25,000 NSW topo maps have been withdrawn from the market while LPI stuff around (polite term) with the new version.
The Natmap 1:250,000 topos are sort of okay but do not have the detail
No, you cannot load Ozi maps to any GPS.

I am going to buy the v6 upgrade, altho I am sort of committed with the GPSmap 276C.
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Old 05-22-2005, 10:55 PM   #6
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The Natmap 1:250,000 topos are sort of okay but do not have the detail
I told myself I would not bite but I have to I would have to take umbrage with that statement. It's a bit "general" The 250K mosaic is in my opinion the BEST single solution for adventure "touring" in Australia.

The only issue I have with it is to much detail ie minor tracks and trails are shown, foliage density information, contour information etc.
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Old 05-22-2005, 11:19 PM   #7
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Putting aside any Garmin loyalties - is there another system out there that has better mapping at the moment - specifically in NSW ?

I'm thinking Magellan or even PDA based stuff -
What do you want to do with it ? once you have your needs sorted... then it's easier to come to a decison about the more suitable bit of kit. On the bike for Adventure touring in Aus.... piss the Garmin off... the mapping** is a cross between dangerous and useless and their proprietary memory card system deserves our disdain. (2610 aside)

If you're a technophobe, grab a Magellan (Meridian or Explorist) grab an SD card and load DAST (*COUGH*) and HEMA's exellent Great Desert Tracks. If you're a geek, try a PDA/GPS combo for a better, superior, more flexible solution (was that enough adjectives ?) and make your own detail maps to backload to the Magellan if you want (I do this). It will however, not cook you eggs for breafast !!!

While several assert the delicate nature of a PDA system, I have ridden wth my IPAQ 3970 for 40,000km over 3 years on my BMW 1150 Adv* with 70% off that being off road



and it still works fine (plugged into initially a Garmin GPS and now a Magellan GPS) and I use it as an MP3 player while riding on straight open transport sections and for Star Charts while camping and take the entire damn workshop manual for the bike as a pdf, along with several e-books and a few games.

If you want to use it to drive around , stick with the Garmin, there hardware on the whole is good.

Que Burnie M ;)

* The big windscreen means aside from torrential rain it stays dry and I simpily have a piece of electrical tape acorss the top to stop dust from getting into the speakers, SD and pointer holes. I am sure one day the thing will crap itself from that vibration and shaking off road BUT my Garmin GPS crapped itself and the PDA is still going strong !

** Burnie states 6 is better but it needs to be a QANTUM leap better to be genuinely useful IMO.
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Old 05-22-2005, 11:32 PM   #8
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Well for a start on a GPSmap 276C you get a screen that you can actually read in sunlight;



If you think DiscoverAus does not have enough rural detail then I guess you will like Garmins MetroGuide even less. City Navigator v6 is MetroGuide v4 plus a little.

The Magellan version of GDT is good but way overpriced IMHO.

The further from civilisation you are the worse the mapping is and the slower government (and private) agencys are to update it.
NSW is pretty good (except for the 'marketing' guys at LPI).
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Old 05-23-2005, 01:51 AM   #9
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TrevorS - saw that very photograph today in - is it ? - trailbikerider ? in the newsagents.

Good article - and i could very easily be persuaded to go the geek/PDA route.

What sort of PDA / min specs / software ?

....make your own detail maps to backload to the Magellan if you want

how would i do this ? I'd need a foothold up to the ladder to find out more info.
Have you got any good info - or links to help me find out ?



PS it was me who was emailing you a year ago about your ADV for sale, when i first got to AUS.
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Old 05-23-2005, 12:07 PM   #10
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I just run the BMW Mottorad on the Adventure - but have maps in the tank bag - I find, when all is said and done, the voice on the Unit to be a little off putting when all you hear is 'Re Calculating'
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Old 05-23-2005, 05:42 PM   #11
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I just run the BMW Mottorad on the Adventure - but have maps in the tank bag - I find, when all is said and done, the voice on the Unit to be a little off putting when all you hear is 'Re Calculating'
You need an upgrade !
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Old 05-23-2005, 09:17 PM   #12
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You need an upgrade !
Among other things. - maybe not as adventurous as you Burnie - My skill level doesnt outdo my capabilities at my age -

Yes I should get it re done - Seeing how I cant get my fookin Garmin downloads because of a stinking loss of number
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Old 05-23-2005, 09:26 PM   #13
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Yes I should get it re done - Seeing how I cant get my fookin Garmin downloads because of a stinking loss of number
Do you have the yellow piece of paper that came with the CD ?

If so, what is your coupon or customer code ?
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Old 05-24-2005, 04:31 AM   #14
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Burnie- Is the coverage of out back SA any more detailed than before. Has it got even the common roads like the birdsville, strezlecki and oodnadatta tracks. V5 didn't even adequetly cover the adelaide hills area very well ( 20KM from the CBD) . Only about 75% of roads and towns were covered. Is the v6 worth the money to upgrade in my part of the world?
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Old 05-24-2005, 04:58 AM   #15
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I would not say it is brilliant but it is okay





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