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Old 01-01-2015, 11:35 AM   #1
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Starter trouble (06 Moto Guzzi Breva 1100)

I tried to start my bike yesterday to go to work(06 Moto Guzzi Breva 1100), it seems to be stuck. I heard the switch try to engage, but it wouldn't turn. She has about 56k on her.

I thought maybe it was too cold, hence frozen, but the temp is 47 today and it still won't turn, still hear the juice, but simply won't turn it.

Any ideas, I'm not too familiar with Guzzi's, but have worked on my own stuff all my life. I don't know if I should pull the starter and take it to get checked or what. Thanks for your input.
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Old 01-01-2015, 01:07 PM   #2
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You sure it's not the battery? Usually is.
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Old 01-01-2015, 01:17 PM   #3
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Check the easy stuff first. Check battery terminals for corrosion and tightness. (I'll take some emery cloth to the terminals and cables every so often). Check the ground cable connection to the engine too.
Make sure the battery's up to the task also...
A change of the starter relay might be an easy test also.

I'm not sure how to test the actual starter for issues...


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Old 01-01-2015, 01:17 PM   #4
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I'm with mcma: check your battery voltage and/or get it load tested before you even suspect the starter. Next is probably to check the electrical connection between the starter and the battery. Both of those are quick and relatively easy, and cheap. Even if the battery isn't the problem, knowing that you've got a good battery and electrical connections is a solid basis for continuing to troubleshoot.
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Old 01-01-2015, 01:26 PM   #5
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I tried to start my bike yesterday to go to work(06 Moto Guzzi Breva 1100), it seems to be stuck. I heard the switch try to engage, but it wouldn't turn. She has about 56k on her.

I thought maybe it was too cold, hence frozen, but the temp is 47 today and it still won't turn, still hear the juice, but simply won't turn it.

Any ideas, I'm not too familiar with Guzzi's, but have worked on my own stuff all my life. I don't know if I should pull the starter and take it to get checked or what. Thanks for your input.
Stop. Test, don't guess. "switch try to engage"? you mean a relay clicking?
"hear the juice"? same as above?

1) put a voltmeter on the battery 12.8V? or less? If voltage is 12.8, go to step 3.

2) put a battery charger on it overnight, see of it starts.
(or some jumper cables from a car and try starting IMMEDIATELY)
If it starts, you had/have a low battery.

3) if it doesn't start, begin checking voltage at various points... A) at battery while attempting to start B)At the starter relay (both sides) while attempting to start C) at the starter while attempting to start.
If the voltages look as expected (11.5 or greater), check engine to chassis/battery ground, etc.
If voltages are low, look at connections/relay, if they are missing, look for sidestand switch, clutch switch, kill switch, etc.

4) LAST thing, disconnect the starter, put jumper cables from a car on it, and the ground jumper cable on the starter's mounting bolt head, and test with direct connection to a car battery. MAKE SURE IT'S IN NEUTRAL, YOU ARE BYPASSING THE NEUTRAL SAFETY SWITCH. If it cranks properly, the starter is OK.
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Old 01-01-2015, 01:52 PM   #6
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You can do a voltage check with the dash?
http://www.guzzitech.com/forums/thre...nt-start.6426/


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Old 01-04-2015, 01:33 PM   #7
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Thanks guys!

Once I thought about it after I was no longer pissed off, I pulled the battery and had it checked at the parts store, all cells good, just low charge. I threw it on the charger for a few hours, cleaned up the terminals, so far, so good.

I was thinking with my luck it was the heated grips I just put on, thankfully not. Oxford's new Intelligent Grips RULE! I believe that's what the're called, from Revzilla for like $90, EASY PEASY install too!! Plug n play, hook up to your battery, DONE DEAL!! One of the easiet things I've EVER done mechanically speaking. 2 beer install TOPS!!

My new windscreen actually gave me fits putting it on, MUCH harder! Figuring out how to mount it without the hardware hitting my tank, what a PITA!!

Thanks for the responses, hope you all had a Merry Christmas, Happy New Year, etc. Stay safe out there!!
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Old 01-04-2015, 03:15 PM   #8
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I know some heated grip manufacturers recommend a direct connection to the battery with an appropriate fuse on the positive side but given a choice I would always prefer to have hardwired accessories that cannot draw any current with the ignition off.

Good article including wiring diagram for relay........

http://www.ulyssesmelb.com/content/h...-battery-blues

Google Positap connectors for easy crimp free splicing onto live wire.

ETA: At the risk of stating the bleeding obvious is the bike charging the battery? Using either the dash voltmeter suggested above or a meter across the terminals of the battery you should be seeing battery at 12.7v for a fully charged 12v battery off load with engine off, rising to somewhere up to 14.4v off tickover depending on setup. If the voltage remains static with the engine (and alternator) running then you have found the problem. Could also be cold at this time of year, if a battery is a bit marginal or on its way out now is the time of year it is likeliest to fail. If a wet lead acid battery goes below 50% state of charge a number of times there is a real risk of causing permanent damage to the plates.

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Old 01-05-2015, 02:54 AM   #9
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You sure it's not the battery? Usually is.
Agreed. Especially being cold outside. I highly doubt the starter is bad. The starter in my v11 is as big as the one in my Fiat.
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Old 01-05-2015, 04:36 PM   #10
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Another thing to check is the kickstand and clutch lockout switches. Since your battery was low, you have solved it this time. I like to put a battery tender on my bike for a day once a month. I do not leave it on all the time.
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Old 01-17-2015, 11:44 AM   #11
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kickstand switch

Come to think of it the light for the sidestand has been acting up. I agree on the battery tender too, the cold don't do much good for batteries.
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