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Old 12-21-2012, 12:15 PM   #61
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Old 12-21-2012, 12:19 PM   #62
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Being from Europe and living in the US, I pretty much think it's "American thinking" (don't drag me into a discussion about that one ).

People in Europe hammer tiny cars with 50 to 90HP on the Autobahn all day long and think nothing of it.

There is absolutely no stress to an engine that is designed to run in these rpm ranges. Complete BS about the "the engine feels stressed" - it's the rider, not the engine. Sure, it's more buzzy up there, though not all too much on the Wee, that engine behaves pretty nicely at higher rpms, in contrast for example to the BMW F engine which completely sucks above 5k.

But, you know, it's the same people which think you need an SUV to get the daughter safely to soccer and back, who think you need a V6 to actually be able to run the AC without noticing power loss, and so on.

It's a mindset and you (and I) are not going to change that. No matter how stupid we think it is.
So true about so much.

Had 3 4-wheel drive Diesel trucks in the drive. (Texas. Teenagers, special circumstances.....need any more excuses?)

Anyways, only 1 was in any kind of regular use. And when I DID, drive a second one, it was only because there was a crew of family going somewhere. Not, because I needed 600lbs of torque. So I sold 2 of em and went down to get a cheaper to operate F150. Been buying from the same gent for many years. When asked what I was looking for, comfort for the wife n grandkids, maybe some low octane economy, he got the keys for me to test drive one.

Heading down the road he had me turn on the real time fuel reporter and set the cruise control. About 55mph. Got readings of 25mpg and better.

I told him thats amazing that an American made V8 BRICK carrying 3 people could run so good and still sip gas. He then asked "what makes you think it's a V8? :)

300 Hp, 7000RPM, 6 speed V6. The dang economy motor. No turbos. No tricks.
He said they are REALLY hard to sell to men after he tells them it isn't a V8.

Yep, we yanks are slow to change sometimes.

Oh, I rented a Ford Focus in Italy in 2002. Got on the Autostrada. Woohoo. Had that thing singing all the way across the country. And that was the tin can Focus. Not the awesome Focus that we all have access to now.
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Old 12-21-2012, 03:14 PM   #63
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I think a little background on how I got to where I am will reduce the confusion and explain why I am comparing these two seemingly different bikes :

I owned 2 cruisers before. My first, Suzuki M50 was a super fun bike! For my daily routines this bike is just plain unadulterated fun, AND at mostly at legal speeds. However, a trip of over 200 miles on this bike and Iím done with it.

So my thoughts were, go BIG and comfy! Bought a Victory Hammer which is definitely big, I made it comfy, itís stupid powerful, but not very nimble. In Turns it just doesnít inspire confidence. Itís a pretty solid interstate bike that will eat miles, I just donít enjoy navigating mountains, busy cities or anything with lots of tight spaces or lots of curves with this huge bike. I realized I lost too much nimbleness and didnít gain enough in comfort with this bike. I miss being able to change direction at will, like on the M50.

And here I am now. I know I want a bike closer to the M50 than the Hammer, trying to make sure I donít go too big, but also have the basic necessities in terms of suspension/weather protection/ and carrying capacity for long range, 1up travel. I have learned that I enjoy mostly being able to flow through everything like me and the bike were one, and I now know big bikes have a mind of their own and donít like to budge without a substantial prior warning ( hope Iím making sense).

I know the tenere and the strom are both amazing. The thousands of miles people put on them both each and every year donít lie. My leaning towards the vstrom is based on the my riding preferences and perceived needs, price is not really the point here. But you never know what a test drive will reveal, so that remains to be seem.

I just have to say, I am very thankful to everyone who shared their experiences about these bikes. You guys have confirmed some of my suspicions and surprised me in other ways. Iíll update once I can arrange a test ride. The test ride may be the biggest surprise yet.
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Old 12-21-2012, 03:29 PM   #64
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Given that the weight of the Tenere is lower than that of the M50 and more than 120lbs less than the Victory, also it's steering geometry and layout is so different, the overall effect will be that even the "heavy" Super Tenere will feel much more nimble when actually riding it than your "fun M50".

The only thing where you'll feel the weight is pushing it around or generally manhandling it. Other than that, both bikes will likely feel as nimble as bicycles compared to these cruisers ...
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Old 12-21-2012, 04:02 PM   #65
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Put another way, in terms of weight\nimbleness.

The M50 to the Hammer

Is in no way = to

The Vstrom to the Tenere.

And in fact, because of the fantastic result of the Tenere's low center of gravity, it will likely "feel" the nimblest of all 4 bikes. Especially after you get a little used to it. (On day 1, your eyes deceive you while perched on it and can keep you restrained from believing what you can do)

You don't have to believe me though. Just look for youtube videos of all 4 bikes being ridden to extremes. The things folks do on a Tenere far exceed the Vstrom. There is a reason for that. Because you just can.

Burn the spec sheet. And forget both bikes you already have had. None of it is applicable. And that's good! For you!
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Old 12-21-2012, 04:34 PM   #66
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The S10 will feel more like a little cruiser in the engine department with the rev range shifted up a bit.

The added benefit is that you can cruise down some very crappy roads at reasonable speeds, if you wish.

I previously owned a Strom and it was a more road oriented bike, that's all. Nothing wrong with a Strom. It's just I was getting a bit pissed with all the off tarmac stuff I was doing and the Strom just wasn't that happy. It was doing it but it wasn't that happy.

Take them both for a test ride, but keep in mind that the S10 is a better bike off road (easier to use and less tiring).

Both bikes will take the punishment.

I'll leave you with a quote from Caver over at Stromtroopers which just about sums up my experiences..

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So I finally test drove a Tenere and I liked it. Then the dealer offered me over 50% more than I thought a dealer would give me for my bike. I think some one at the shop wanted it. I took care of the Wee and had the records to prove it. So the deal was good and I got the Tenere, blue 2012.

My biggest fear in buying a bike that was twice what I paid for my Wee was my driveway. I mean the Tenere is some 100lbs heavier. And the first 200 feet of my driveway is a steep 20degree slope with loose gravel and fist-size and half-fist-size rocks strewn about. I hadn't been good about keeping up the maintenance recently.

I got close to home just after dark. I practiced a little going up and down a steep s curve on the gravel road a few times. I hit my driveway and just went right up it. I was amazed at how much easier it was on the Tenere.

I guess the extra weight helps some, but it definitely felt like it had a lower CoG. Even after years of riding my Wee up and down, my driveway still gave me a bit of pucker factor. Not any more on the Tenere.
If you never ride much off road then the Strom would be fine. You can save yourself some bucks and take a vacation.

On the other hand many people don't ride much off road because of the fact that many bikes are set up just a bit too twitchy for the job. Bit of a catch 22 going on there.

The V-strom is a good thing and probably the best value out there for a full size bike. The S10 is not far behind in the value stakes either.

It's more a case of getting value for your type of riding.

Money was not a huge factor for me except when it came to value for my money. Once I received some quotes all I could say was "You want HOW MUCH!!! for that!!" Not so with the Stroms or the S10.
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Old 12-21-2012, 06:57 PM   #67
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Here is a YouTube review of the Vstrom....watch his review as he gives his honest opinion of what he thinks of the bike.....




http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?feature...ture%3Drelated
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Old 12-21-2012, 07:21 PM   #68
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Here is a YouTube review of the Vstrom....watch his review as he gives his honest opinion of what he thinks of the bike.....

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?feature...ture%3Drelated

Thant link ita wasa broke.





Funny but a lot of it is true.!
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Old 12-21-2012, 07:57 PM   #69
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Bottom line IS...............You will fall in love with either. Both are geat bikes. So plunk your $$$$ and you will have some good ridin' ahead of you, no matter witch way you go.
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Old 12-22-2012, 02:16 PM   #70
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Sounds like what you really want is the 2014 Yamha Super Tenere 850. 100 hp, 7.5" travel front
/rear, 475 lbs wet, $9299.00!



Me too!!! Come on Yamaha, if you bUild it, we will come!!

I have just complted a 6000 mile tour of the western states on a 2012 vStrom 650 with full gear and it did great. I am 260 lb and had about 90 lb in gear. Power was fine, but started to lack somewhat at cruising speeds of 85 mph. Economy falls apart at those speeds as well. It's a roomy bike and plenty comfotable. I had no buffeting but the cock pit was noisy.

For the riding you sugest a tenere would be perfect, but a dl650 will do just fine.
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Old 12-22-2012, 02:23 PM   #71
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Sounds like what you really want is the 2014 Yamha Super Tenere 850. 100 hp, 7.5" travel front
/rear, 475 lbs wet, $9299.00!
I'd pay 12k if it still had shaft drive and fully adjustable suspension. I'd accept 500lbs wet then if it's still nicely balanced ...
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Old 12-22-2012, 02:53 PM   #72
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I'd pay 12k if it still had shaft drive and fully adjustable suspension. I'd accept 500lbs wet then if it's still nicely balanced ...
Spoken like man after being turned down three times for a prom date.

We all lower our expectations eventually.
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Old 12-22-2012, 03:19 PM   #73
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at cruising speeds of 85 mph. Economy falls apart at those speeds as well. .
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This is what Wee lovers won't admit, They are not that great gas miser when riden in real world traveling conditions.
My sons 990R was constantly using less fuel than my DL650 when we rode to Alaska, We rode hard and covered ground.
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Old 12-22-2012, 04:16 PM   #74
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This is what Wee lovers won't admit, They are not that great gas miser when riden in real world traveling conditions.
My sons 990R was constantly using less fuel than my DL650 when we rode to Alaska, We rode hard and covered ground.
My worst mpg ever on the wee was six hours on a mountain freeway. Speeds were 75-90. I got 48 mpg.. I'm not sure if that's what I'd call falling apart. That two up with a 55l topcase and a set of pelican 1550s.
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We all lower our expectations eventually.
Speaking from experience ...
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