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Old 01-25-2013, 03:46 AM   #46
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What's wrong with 14 "?
Lots of compromise when setting an outfit up, it's outcomes that matter.
Toast, evidence shows you know what you're doing, so no worries.
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Old 01-25-2013, 04:44 AM   #47
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14" is a little more than ideal, but in practice, I don't believe it will be a problem for you, especially given that you are using leading links which will negate the heavier steering that the extra lead will produce.

Wheel lead is almost always the biggest compromise in terms of setup, as it is dictated by "where it fits" on most sidecars, unless it's a purpose built outfit.

Nothing to worry about.
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Old 01-25-2013, 08:43 AM   #48
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Thanks guys, it IS a very long chair, and a VERY long bike with the links on.

When I started building outfits I worked on a ratio of 20 percent of wheelbase or 9-12 inches, these figures have always served me well and were gained from an old book about mounting old british bikes and sidecars together. The 14 inch figure does seem to match the bike and chair well, the rear of the chassis being level with the back of the mudguard and the front of the chassis loop just shy of the front of the tyre, it really sits well but seemed a big distance.

Thanks again.
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Old 01-25-2013, 09:13 AM   #49
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Wheelbase is a factor, as is the fact you're using links.
The 9 to 12" is oft quoted, but does come from another time, like 1930s when specifications, wheels and manufacturers' sidecar fitting points of Brit bikes where very comparable. We've moved on since.
Thep roof of the proverbial will no doubt be in the riding.
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Old 01-25-2013, 02:00 PM   #50
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I am having a dry mock-up, the brackets dictate a lead of 14 inches, FOURTEEN INCHES!!!!


Input?
Reckon I have about that much lead on the Oxford fitted to my Cali. Any less than that and the back end of the sidecar would be too far behind the back of the bike and just wouldn't look right. Handles fine by me though. By the way, love the paint job.
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Old 02-04-2013, 12:57 PM   #51
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Right, been offline for a few days , got her through her test last thursday, a fair rush in the end but heres the pics and info.

Had to notch out the front upper arm mounting, it just wouldnt sit right without stressing it and the bracket wanted to sit just where the verticle brace between the double parallel chassis rails was, amazing how 1/4 of an inch caused so much head scratching.


That allowed the bracket to butt up closer to the joint.


The triangulation of the lower arms is great, pretty beefy. I am happy with the arms and clamps, there is generally always a 'weak' link or compromise somewhere, here though I am happy. the rear upper arm is onto a a clamp which has been fitted with the flange below the straight line between the two clamps which would have been ideal, the reason is that the flange on the clamp is cranked off center and wanted to sit with the flange out of line with the fork fitting, I could have got around this with MORE lead, I find myself really wanting to keep the lead down to that MASSIVE 14'' if poss.





Its fair to say, shes a big old girl. These were just before I lifted the body on, ON MY BLOODY OWN.



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Old 02-04-2013, 01:19 PM   #52
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So, lifted the body on, took her for a spin locally at low speed, steers great, were the clutch not needed I feel I could ride it one handed. Got a few pics, a rush putting this together so lots to do to finish, boot catches etc etc etc. Anyway, first completed pics.






I was really conscious the diference in height between the bike lights and the sidecar light made the outfit look less than unified, just experimenting, the trailer light I bought came as a pair, I have removed the rear bike lights and reg plate assembly and tried to look at mounting the spare trailer light lower on the bike fender and mounting the reg plate, centrally on the sidecar, I hope to get this right in the way that the outfit will look a little more symetrical.




The panic in getting this MOT tested was that my private registration certificate expired on friday so I had to get in assigned to the bike or lose it, got it done, now the lengthy fine tuning, interior and detailing begins.
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Old 02-04-2013, 02:05 PM   #53
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Wow. Very nice job TM.
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Old 02-05-2013, 05:35 AM   #54
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Looks really good, great job and thanks for sharing the build.
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Old 02-05-2013, 10:02 AM   #55
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That's a mighty fine looking outfit, well done indeed and thank's for sharing.
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Old 02-05-2013, 12:44 PM   #56
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That's a mighty fine looking outfit, well done indeed and thank's for sharing.
Orkney, WOW. Hows it up there at the moment?

Thanks everyone so far, making up the catch mounting plates in stainless and trying to sort the reg plate and lights at the moment. Also lots to do inside, courtesy lights and charging socket, my lad will need entertainment on the longer runs, and the upholstery still to do of course.
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Old 02-05-2013, 03:40 PM   #57
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[QUOTE=toastmuncher;20656840]Orkney, WOW. Hows it up there at the moment?

Blowin thru the hoose 80+ mph
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Old 02-05-2013, 11:41 PM   #58
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That looks really good.

I quite fancy a Cali as my next sidecar bike.
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Old 02-06-2013, 01:08 AM   #59
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Thanks Dudes.

Up at 5 this morning as pain prevents me from living as a normal person thesedays it seems, knocked up some 'Toggle Catch' mounting plates in stainless, the original catches/latches were very scruffy and the mounting holes were visible with their replacements in situ, so this covers the holes that I SHOULD have asked the painter to fill over AND reinforced the boot latches hopefully preventing the holes from becoming elongated and making the latches useless.

I bought some LED number plate lights/markers from ebay, they came from bulgaria and are about three times the size I pictured them. I am having a rethink ref reg plate now and may get a car one knocked up today and mount a light on each end of it. I have a 5 digit reg so it should work out okay, update later. Heres the latch plates.
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Old 02-08-2013, 09:43 AM   #60
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Looking really nice, the fittings are so much better than the Watsonian stuff on mine - or I should say "used to be on mine" as I have decided to go the other way and have taken the sidecar off my Cali for this year.
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