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Old 08-30-2012, 11:08 AM   #271
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OK ... my local dealer has two new F700GS & a new F800GS on the floor.
The F800GS had the "luxury pkg" which I assume is also available on the F700GS and consisted of:
  • The Vario pannier mounts <--- so that solves the question of the luggage/saddlebag mounts
  • Center stand (and this year's center stand is "straight-legged" not curved tubing)
  • Heated grips (available @ $250 by themselves)
  • OBC
Package lists @ $505 which actually seemed good for what you're getting
(Maybe BMW does feel a LITTLE guilty about the Euro / USD exchange rate shift?)

Looks like ABS is standard

The Safety package consisting of ESA II and Enduro ASC is $595

As someone mentioned in some thread (maybe this one...) it would appear that the windscreens from the old F650GS/F800G will work on the new F700GS with the removal of a few plastic bits, and the addition of the two "angle brackets" that hold the back corners of the current shield.

The Charcoal canister appears to be tucked in front of the gas tank it NOT up under the seat at the front of the tank.

The "hand wheel" for the rear suspension pre-load now looks more like the round-style handle on an outdoor water faucet, I liked it better.

Bobble-head ft. brake reservoir is gone.
It looks to me like the new reservoir would bolt up to our old master cylinder, a comparison of the P/N for the front master cylinder for the old bikes vs. current year would likely tell us if any internal design modifications were made to the master cylinder to allow the removal of Mr. Bobble-head or if they finally just decided Mr. Bobble-head could take his leave of us............

My F658GS has ~28K miles on it, is due for the 24K mile service, is almost 4 yrs old, and "almost" needs a new front tire, and is in excellent condition (GS911 told me that the valves were good till 29K so I hadn't had the service done).

I was offered $6K trade-in for mine withOUT the farkles, or $6800 with if I had 24K service & new front tire done. That price didn't make me jump for joy ... but to be fair id didn't make me want to cry either....


Might trade, or might buy the new ft. master cylinder resivoir, new hand-wheel, and an ElectroSport stator and call it done not sure
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Old 08-30-2012, 12:04 PM   #272
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OK ... my local dealer has two new F700GS & a new F800GS on the floor.
The F800GS had the "luxury pkg" which I assume is also available on the F700GS and consisted of:
  • The Vario pannier mounts <--- so that solves the question of the luggage/saddlebag mounts
  • Center stand (and this year's center stand is "straight-legged" not curved tubing)
  • Heated grips (available @ $250 by themselves)
  • OBC
Package lists @ $505 which actually seemed good for what you're getting
(Maybe BMW does feel a LITTLE guilty about the Euro / USD exchange rate shift?)

Looks like ABS is standard

The Safety package consisting of ESA II and Enduro ASC is $595

As someone mentioned in some thread (maybe this one...) it would appear that the windscreens from the old F650GS/F800G will work on the new F700GS with the removal of a few plastic bits, and the addition of the two "angle brackets" that hold the back corners of the current shield.

The Charcoal canister appears to be tucked in front of the gas tank it NOT up under the seat at the front of the tank.

The "hand wheel" for the rear suspension pre-load now looks more like the round-style handle on an outdoor water faucet, I liked it better.

Bobble-head ft. brake reservoir is gone.
It looks to me like the new reservoir would bolt up to our old master cylinder, a comparison of the P/N for the front master cylinder for the old bikes vs. current year would likely tell us if any internal design modifications were made to the master cylinder to allow the removal of Mr. Bobble-head or if they finally just decided Mr. Bobble-head could take his leave of us............

My F658GS has ~28K miles on it, is due for the 24K mile service, is almost 4 yrs old, and "almost" needs a new front tire, and is in excellent condition (GS911 told me that the valves were good till 29K so I hadn't had the service done).

I was offered $6K trade-in for mine withOUT the farkles, or $6800 with if I had 24K service & new front tire done. That price didn't make me jump for joy ... but to be fair id didn't make me want to cry either....


Might trade, or might buy the new ft. master cylinder resivoir, new hand-wheel, and an ElectroSport stator and call it done not sure
Were you able to test ride it?

I doubt there is a big difference, but I was how or if the throttle response changed or if the newer rear suspension makes any difference.

thanks

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Old 08-30-2012, 01:16 PM   #273
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Were you able to test ride it?

I doubt there is a big difference, but I was how or if the throttle response changed or if the newer rear suspension makes any difference.

thanks

petzi-baer
No ... I was not, I was a bit pressed for time and the bike was tied up in the middle of the showroom.
4 more HP, and like you say ... maybe different throttle response oh and slightly more aggressive gearing 42/17
I wonder if the suspension is actually different or if it's the same suspension (mechanically speaking),
with a control circuit dropped on top... ???
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Old 08-30-2012, 03:33 PM   #274
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A question for the 650 owners, does it look like the engine guards for the 650 will work for the 700?
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Old 08-31-2012, 07:30 AM   #275
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I would think the engine guards that mount to the frame and engine would fit just fine....there seems to be no differences to either..... have said that, I still would make sure I could return them if there was some problem.
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Old 08-31-2012, 04:51 PM   #276
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I saw a 2013 F800GS for the first time last week. It is rather nice, actually.

In blue and with those colored triangles on the side, it looks like a dirt bike on steroids. I consider this a positive change.



More detail on the side panels. The blue is a solid blue. Rather nice.




The grab handle and the case attachment.



The revised beak.



Detail:



Slight changes in the instrument cluster: can you spot the difference? Here is the 2013:



And the 2012:



And the controls, turn signals together on the left side. Who says BMW doesn't listen?



Talking about BMW not listening, I'm curious to know what they've done with the rear spring attachment to the frame. Or not have done.

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Old 09-01-2012, 05:22 AM   #277
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...so... no scottoiler in the regular position...

...and is that a new spring?

Plus, what happened to the cooler on the side? I'm guessing it's just "rotated".



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Old 09-01-2012, 08:46 AM   #278
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Looks like the tank area might be a bit narrower allowing you to get a bit further forward while standing up.

Anybody else notice that?

Also, it does not look like the beak is removable, it looks to be one piece with the upper side fairing. So much for de-beaking... (although I like the beaks!)


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Old 09-01-2012, 02:49 PM   #279
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It looks like if I want an F900GS I will have to build my own ... oh well, that could be fun !
Ducksbane, can I put in an order for one too?
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Old 09-02-2012, 01:02 AM   #280
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A sticker does not a WP fork make.

They are still the same low budget Marzocchi 45mm units on the 2013 models.

If you want proper WPs on there you will have to put them on yourself!

Oh stop it you tease.

I saved up the funds for my new front end project and my daughter rings and wants to borrow exactly the amount I'd saved.


The pricing on the new models here hasn't really moved much from the old models. So the 700 is nearly $7000 cheaper than the 800. Makes the 700 the pick of the 2.

The difference is primarily the suspension. A little performance difference, but to be honest it suits 2-up or riding mostly of road anyway.

For $7000, you throw away the suspension, fit proper stuff and then put a power commander or similar on it. Racks, panniers, and all the bling. I can't seriously see why anyone would buy the 800 here with the pricing the way it is.

I'd buy the KTM990R in preference to the F800 at our prices as there's only $2000 difference. They had the 1200GS going for only $4000 more than the 800.

They make me wonder exactly who they want to sell the 800 to in Australia? After owning one, and with the current pricing the way it is, I'd have to honestly say it doesn't even make the short list for a replacement for my existing F800 now.

I'd get the 1200GS in preference with the pricing as it is for 2-up touring work with dirt roads as a base, and the KTM for mostly 2-up dirt roads with solo hard core stuff thrown in. If money was an issue it'd be the 700GS.

The F800 here at least, has been priced for extinction in my humble opinion.

But they'll still sell them to blokes who want to show up at the regular weekend ride haunts and look all hard core while sipping their lattes.

Pity.
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Old 09-03-2012, 10:10 AM   #281
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Ahhh! When I have just got used to the signal contols

Now they switch the switch to the clasic system. I would get used to this system much quicker but did not like the position of the button for the emergency fours. Its is kind of far away from easy reach. I normally could hit both turn signals at the same time while grabbing the clutch and front brakes to prevent the guy coming behind me at full speed from running over me while the traffic ahead is jammed. This design is no good. At least they could have switched the places with the info/abs or whatever the button next to it that is closer to the grip.
And one more thing.
Unleaden road ready weight is 209kg vs. 199kg 10kg more
dry wight is 186kg vs. 179 only 7kg more. Where is the 3kg of fluids go to. Not in the engine or the fuel tank since thet are the same. I doubt if it in the cooling system. Where is it then?
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Old 09-03-2012, 03:01 PM   #282
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The F700GS

Hello champions of life:

Never ridden and I'm gonna buy a bike people. Been planning for the last three years, and being located in the middle east everything is a rip off. Started off thinking I was gonna get a wee, they wouldn't order it, saw the versys, it was 3K USD above US MSRP. So now I'm looking at the F700gs and gonna put an offer on it, right now I can get it for about 11.5K USD, the catch is the Suzuki dealership just got the '12 wee but it's listed at 10.8K USD. BMW has two years service, Suzuki one. I think the 700 is a winner in terms of budget today, but.l.

The question: everyone says BMW will break down, electronic problems, etc, and when they do I'll be shelling out a lot. Shoud this be a big concern?

I'll be riding mainly asphalt until I am confident and then desert tracks throughout the gulf (UAE, OMAN, etc). Eventually I plan on moving back to the states and will most likely take it with me (if less than four years from now).

So yeah, I very much appreciate your wisdom and encouragement.

P.s. all the used bikes here are imported wrecks from Japan and most are cruisers or sport bikes. Occasionally a dual sport is listed but often a larger bike and/or too close to msrp.

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Old 09-03-2012, 05:13 PM   #283
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The question: everyone says BMW will break down, electronic problems, etc, and when they do I'll be shelling out a lot. Shoud this be a big concern?
I think that BMW has learned some things since the F800GS and friends were introduced.
There have been re-designs/reworks of the
  • Cam chain tensioner
  • Regulator/Rectifier
  • Stator
  • Fuel tank (not sure it's fixed yet though...)
  • Various other bits (like the front brake reservoir and etc...)
It still might cost more to maintain than other brands, but the 2013s seem pretty solid to me.
Unless it's changed the 3-yr. warranty is a nice feature!
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Old 09-03-2012, 05:26 PM   #284
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Buy the F700GS

I test rode a WeStrom before I bought a F650GS in 2010.
The We is a very reliable bike....but not perfect...note it does not have a bunch of obsessive hypocrondiracts dissecting every issue on the blogs.
The We is heavier, a bit less power, a bit poorer handling and a good amount cheaper.

The BMW is faster, handles better, has a HUGE number of farkles, but cost more. Makes me smile!

I've had my 2010 F650GS 3 years, 31k miles...no problems, just replaced front brake pads, new chain and put on my 4th set of tires. Did 10k mile Alaska and back trip this summer. love the bike
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Old 09-03-2012, 06:50 PM   #285
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... note it does not have a bunch of obsessive hypocrondiracts dissecting every issue on the blogs.
Hey ... I represent that remark!
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