ADVrider

Go Back   ADVrider > Bikes > GSpot > Parallel Universe
User Name
Password
Register Inmates Photos Site Rules Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 09-18-2012, 07:39 PM   #331
soph9
Bike Addict
 
soph9's Avatar
 
Joined: Nov 2009
Location: Maple Ridge, BC Canada
Oddometer: 2,390
Quote:
Originally Posted by skysailor View Post
Triumph "loaned" you two Tigers and you couldn't make a deal good enough to keep them? How "good" does a "deal" have to be? Why would Triumph lend you two Tigers? Are you authors? I read your RR, but are you making a film? Funny how you both do the same thing when it comes to ditching the Triumphs? Just find it bizarre. If ANY manufacturer was to "loan" me one of their bikes for a "free" journey to Alaska, I'd bloody well thank them by buying their product, and standing behind it. Your creditability suffers. Badly.
Lyle
Interesting you see it that way....strong comments. We are just 2 grrls who wanted to see if we could get a company like Triumph to loan us the bikes. We did, we thanked them...and went back to our lives. We have every right to spend our money as we see fit. Nothing was free except we rode their bikes, they wanted them back and they sold them. No big deal...no obligations one way or the other...again I appreciate opinions but you are really out of line....

Creditability? Because we ride a specific bike we have to own it? We loved that bike but we also have reasons to continue to be BMW owners. What if another company loans us bikes...should we make sure we buy them too?

soph9 screwed with this post 09-18-2012 at 08:22 PM
soph9 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-18-2012, 08:57 PM   #332
eanth
Adventurer
 
eanth's Avatar
 
Joined: Oct 2008
Location: here
Oddometer: 60
Quote:
Originally Posted by soph9 View Post
Interesting you see it that way....strong comments. We are just 2 grrls who wanted to see if we could get a company like Triumph to loan us the bikes. We did, we thanked them...and went back to our lives. We have every right to spend our money as we see fit. Nothing was free except we rode their bikes, they wanted them back and they sold them. No big deal...no obligations one way or the other...again I appreciate opinions but you are really out of line....

Creditability? Because we ride a specific bike we have to own it? We loved that bike but we also have reasons to continue to be BMW owners. What if another company loans us bikes...should we make sure we buy them too?
well stated. let's let it rest. i'm w/ the '2 girls.'
eanth is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-18-2012, 09:01 PM   #333
soph9
Bike Addict
 
soph9's Avatar
 
Joined: Nov 2009
Location: Maple Ridge, BC Canada
Oddometer: 2,390
Quote:
Originally Posted by eanth View Post
well stated. let's let it rest. i'm w/ the '2 girls.'
thanks! Back to pictures!
soph9 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-18-2012, 11:12 PM   #334
guavadude
de-composer
 
guavadude's Avatar
 
Joined: Aug 2009
Location: Dallas, TX
Oddometer: 891
Big fan of the adv girls myself.
I don't see how getting a company to loan you bikes is anything but awesome. Good on 'em.

I'm curious, has the height difference from the 650s to the 800s been an issue?
guavadude is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-19-2012, 02:31 AM   #335
soph9
Bike Addict
 
soph9's Avatar
 
Joined: Nov 2009
Location: Maple Ridge, BC Canada
Oddometer: 2,390
Quote:
Originally Posted by guavadude View Post
Big fan of the adv girls myself.
I don't see how getting a company to loan you bikes is anything but awesome. Good on 'em.

I'm curious, has the height difference from the 650s to the 800s been an issue?
quite a difference in the height to be honest. To compare the F800 to the F650 we both have to use a low seat. Cheryl fits the bike well but what we are going to do is take our Renazco seats and get them modified. Both of us need our Renazco seats lowered and the nose of the seats to be narrower to be a great fit. Compared to the Tiger 800XC...one thing Triumph did well was have two seat height adjustments, plus a low seat option without getting into lowering the suspension.

I am never flat footed on either of the 3 bikes but I am also used to that feeling. We got the bikes with the low stock seat and look forward to the mod of our Renazco's.
soph9 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-19-2012, 04:11 AM   #336
Angryrican
know nothing all
 
Angryrican's Avatar
 
Joined: Mar 2011
Location: North NJ
Oddometer: 283
Quote:
Originally Posted by soph9 View Post
quite a difference in the height to be honest. To compare the F800 to the F650 we both have to use a low seat. Cheryl fits the bike well but what we are going to do is take our Renazco seats and get them modified. Both of us need our Renazco seats lowered and the nose of the seats to be narrower to be a great fit. Compared to the Tiger 800XC...one thing Triumph did well was have two seat height adjustments, plus a low seat option without getting into lowering the suspension.

I am never flat footed on either of the 3 bikes but I am also used to that feeling. We got the bikes with the low stock seat and look forward to the mod of our Renazco's.
Just curious as to why not get the low suspension option? It only lowers it an inch so you still gain suspension travel over the F650/700GS plus their is still the benefit of the 21" front wheel. I know the Hyperpro 1" (25mm)lowering kit has had good results here by other members as long as you are under 90kg so my guess is the BMW setup is also and you can still use the stock kickstand and center stand.
Angryrican is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 09-19-2012, 06:27 AM   #337
soph9
Bike Addict
 
soph9's Avatar
 
Joined: Nov 2009
Location: Maple Ridge, BC Canada
Oddometer: 2,390
Quote:
Originally Posted by Angryrican View Post
Just curious as to why not get the low suspension option? It only lowers it an inch so you still gain suspension travel over the F650/700GS plus their is still the benefit of the 21" front wheel. I know the Hyperpro 1" (25mm)lowering kit has had good results here by other members as long as you are under 90kg so my guess is the BMW setup is also and you can still use the stock kickstand and center stand.
no you lose the centre stand unless you modify one yourself...I have had the chance to ride Cheryl's bike, she all ready has hers and it feels pretty good at the stock height...but like I said once we mod our seats it will be even better.
soph9 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-19-2012, 06:43 AM   #338
Angryrican
know nothing all
 
Angryrican's Avatar
 
Joined: Mar 2011
Location: North NJ
Oddometer: 283
Quote:
Originally Posted by soph9 View Post
no you lose the centre stand unless you modify one yourself...I have had the chance to ride Cheryl's bike, she all ready has hers and it feels pretty good at the stock height...but like I said once we mod our seats it will be even better.
Got it, I transitioned from the F650GS Twin to the F800GS and had similar issues as you but left the suspension alone, once the spring settled and the sag was set correct I don't even notice it. My initial concern was walking it backwards on the seat but now it's not a problem. You will really enjoy this bike once you get to know it


I did run a low Touratech seat(most comfortable I've used) for a few months but now am back on the stock seat with out issue
Angryrican is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 09-20-2012, 02:31 AM   #339
Snowy
Beastly Adventurer
 
Joined: Dec 2008
Oddometer: 1,909
Quote:
Originally Posted by skysailor View Post
Triumph "loaned" you two Tigers ...blah blah...yarda yarda...Your creditability suffers. Badly.
Lyle
How? Exactly how?

Their choice, and from what I read on their blog, the reasons for it back up everything I've read in "reputable" test reports on the Triumph.

The XC is a better "road" bike than the F800, but the F800 usually gets the nod for "off road" over the XC. By off road I mean dirt roads, fire trails/jeep trails type "off road". The relative comfort of each seems to be more subjective and personal preference.

The Triumph has a one piece frame. Bend a peg mount and it's a write off, and I've seen one and read about others doing this in very low speed falls on soft surfaces. Almost like every Adventure bike does at least once...if not once a day in the fun stuff.

The one thing I'll say about the F800 is that it seems to crash fairly well. Not that I'm admitting anything. I've never crashed on road in 30 something years. But I know some firetrail hill climbs that a good rider on an F800 will probably only have a 50/50 chance of getting to the top of.

So I am familiar with it's crash worthiness in an off road environment. The low seat made things much easier. Wider foot pegs helped. Practising technique for picking one up when stranded on a steep rocky hill helps.
Snowy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-20-2012, 03:52 AM   #340
LukasM
Beastly Adventurer
 
Joined: Nov 2006
Location: On a RTW ride - currently SE Asia on the way to OZ
Oddometer: 5,426
Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowy View Post
How? Exactly how?

Their choice, and from what I read on their blog, the reasons for it back up everything I've read in "reputable" test reports on the Triumph.

The XC is a better "road" bike than the F800, but the F800 usually gets the nod for "off road" over the XC. By off road I mean dirt roads, fire trails/jeep trails type "off road". The relative comfort of each seems to be more subjective and personal preference.

The Triumph has a one piece frame. Bend a peg mount and it's a write off, and I've seen one and read about others doing this in very low speed falls on soft surfaces. Almost like every Adventure bike does at least once...if not once a day in the fun stuff.

The one thing I'll say about the F800 is that it seems to crash fairly well. Not that I'm admitting anything. I've never crashed on road in 30 something years. But I know some firetrail hill climbs that a good rider on an F800 will probably only have a 50/50 chance of getting to the top of.

So I am familiar with it's crash worthiness in an off road environment. The low seat made things much easier. Wider foot pegs helped. Practising technique for picking one up when stranded on a steep rocky hill helps.

Don't agree on the crash-ability, at least not regarding the rear subframe in stock form. The way the passenger pegs are stupidly placed on an unsupported straight frame tube means that they can and generally will bend the subframe even in the lightest tip-overs. There are lots of documented cases of this on ADV and I have replaced 6 of them for local riders myself in the last 2-3 years.

See the one on the left:




Cut off the passenger pegs or somehow make sure they are not the first thing touching the ground (e.g. soft luggage in the back) and you dramatically increase the crash-ability to KTM 950/990 levels (along with crash bars so you don't fuck on the radiator and side panels).
__________________
Currently going RTW on a KTM 690 Rally, trip blog: https://www.facebook.com/AroundTheWorldWithLukasM

Tracker: https://share.delorme.com/LukasMatzinger
LukasM is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-20-2012, 03:56 AM   #341
Loutre
Cosmopolitan Adv
 
Loutre's Avatar
 
Joined: Nov 2010
Location: :o)
Oddometer: 3,772
Quote:
Originally Posted by LukasM View Post
Don't agree on the crash-ability, at least not regarding the rear subframe in stock form. The way the passenger pegs are stupidly placed on an unsupported straight frame tube means that they can and generally will bend the subframe even in the lightest tip-overs. There are lots of documented cases of this on ADV and I have replaced 6 of them for local riders myself in the last 2-3 years.

See the one on the left:




Cut off the passenger pegs or somehow make sure they are not the first thing touching the ground (e.g. soft luggage in the back) and you dramatically increase the crash-ability to KTM 950/990 levels (along with crash bars so you don't fuck on the radiator and side panels).
Sure but since he's comparing it to the XC, the GS crashes better. On the XC you wouldn't have been able to replace the rear frame since it only has one. The GS isn't a perfect bike but does a lot of stuff well enough for a >200kg bike.
Loutre is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-20-2012, 04:01 AM   #342
LukasM
Beastly Adventurer
 
Joined: Nov 2006
Location: On a RTW ride - currently SE Asia on the way to OZ
Oddometer: 5,426
Just because it's not the worst does not mean that it's not bad.

But yeah, I agree that the subframe as a part of the main structure on an "adventure" bike is absolutely ridiculously stupid.

I've seen 4 XCs came up at the local insurance auction as salvage bikes, none were badly damaged but all were completely write-offs due to needing a frame replacement. 2 BMW twins during that time, and I am sure they outsell the XCs by a large margin.
__________________
Currently going RTW on a KTM 690 Rally, trip blog: https://www.facebook.com/AroundTheWorldWithLukasM

Tracker: https://share.delorme.com/LukasMatzinger
LukasM is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-20-2012, 06:06 AM   #343
RobbieO
Muskokatard
 
RobbieO's Avatar
 
Joined: Mar 2007
Location: Dumpmere - Muskoka
Oddometer: 9,016
Damn!

I really want the 700 but would like the USD forks and spoked wheels.
I know that BMW can do it, I have them on my X-Country.........
__________________
Only a biker knows why a dog sticks his head out of a car window.
RobbieO is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-20-2012, 06:08 AM   #344
Loutre
Cosmopolitan Adv
 
Loutre's Avatar
 
Joined: Nov 2010
Location: :o)
Oddometer: 3,772
Quote:
Originally Posted by RobbieO View Post
Damn!

I really want the 700 but would like the USD forks and spoked wheels.
I know that BMW can do it, I have them on my X-Country.........
that's why I got the 800. Didn't care much about the 21" but I wanted the spoked wheels.
Loutre is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-20-2012, 06:13 AM   #345
LukasM
Beastly Adventurer
 
Joined: Nov 2006
Location: On a RTW ride - currently SE Asia on the way to OZ
Oddometer: 5,426
Quote:
Originally Posted by RobbieO View Post
Damn!

I really want the 700 but would like the USD forks and spoked wheels.
I know that BMW can do it, I have them on my X-Country.........
So what exactly is it you like better about the F700GS then? Other than the front plastic I can't see anything, and that is probably very easy to swap with an F800GS owner, just like it was previously on the 08-12 F650GS and F800GS.
__________________
Currently going RTW on a KTM 690 Rally, trip blog: https://www.facebook.com/AroundTheWorldWithLukasM

Tracker: https://share.delorme.com/LukasMatzinger
LukasM is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Share

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

.
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


Times are GMT -7.   It's 10:22 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ADVrider 2011-2015