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Old 12-12-2012, 11:19 AM   #436
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I actually like the old switchgear better. It took me a few minutes to get used to it, but I find the BMW setup much easier now than the single slider and push-to-cancel switch on the left. I just bought a 2012 F658GS and don't see anything here that makes me think I should have waited for the 2013s.
Well, since my 2012 took it in the pooper from a VW, I guess now I have a reason to look at the F700GS. I haven't decided between that, an R1200GS, or a Guzzi...
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Old 12-14-2012, 03:25 AM   #437
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Well, since my 2012 took it in the pooper from a VW, I guess now I have a reason to look at the F700GS. I haven't decided between that, an R1200GS, or a Guzzi...
The 700 and the 1200 are very different machines. Can I ask why you are looking at the 700 and not the 800? Just curious, both are great bikes.
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Old 12-14-2012, 09:40 AM   #438
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The 700 and the 1200 are very different machines. Can I ask why you are looking at the 700 and not the 800? Just curious, both are great bikes.
I'm short, and use my motorcycle for commuting in a very dense city. The 650 gave me everything I needed in an easier-to-manage-in-stop-and-go-traffic form than the 800 would have (with the added bonus of lower purchase price) and I expect the same of the 700. I think the 1200 would be better for long distances (though Stuttgart to Napoli on the 650 was fine) but am not sure that for me the added capabilities would outweigh the added costs in terms of higher purchase price, insurance, and road tax.
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Old 12-16-2012, 06:05 AM   #439
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I'm short, and use my motorcycle for commuting in a very dense city. The 650 gave me everything I needed in an easier-to-manage-in-stop-and-go-traffic form than the 800 would have (with the added bonus of lower purchase price) and I expect the same of the 700. I think the 1200 would be better for long distances (though Stuttgart to Napoli on the 650 was fine) but am not sure that for me the added capabilities would outweigh the added costs in terms of higher purchase price, insurance, and road tax.
Makes sense. I Bought the 800 in late August and am loving it. Lots of power for highway cruising and better mileage than my 06 KLR. I now have just over 8500 kilometers on it. Living in the North riding is all but done now for a few months though.
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Old 12-24-2012, 08:20 AM   #440
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2013 models have less snatchy throttle?

It is rumored that the 2013 models have less snatchy throttle?

Has anybody noticed better throttle behavior on the 2013 bikes compared to earlier models?

And if so ... do we know if the new firmware can be flashed to older model bikes?

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Old 12-24-2012, 08:21 AM   #441
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feels the same to me..
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Old 12-31-2012, 05:39 AM   #442
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My friend insists his 2013 has more power. :)
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Old 12-31-2012, 08:44 PM   #443
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Old 01-01-2013, 04:13 PM   #444
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It is rumored that the 2013 models have less snatchy throttle?

Has anybody noticed better throttle behavior on the 2013 bikes compared to earlier models?

And if so ... do we know if the new firmware can be flashed to older model bikes?

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This 2013 f800gs is my first. But coming from a carbureted bike I defiantly found the throttle snatchy. As a matter a fact I was beginning to wonder if I'd ever get used to it but after 9,000 kilometers I don't even notice it anymore. Feels great now.
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Old 01-01-2013, 08:50 PM   #445
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This 2013 f800gs is my first. But coming from a carbureted bike I defiantly found the throttle snatchy. As a matter a fact I was beginning to wonder if I'd ever get used to it but after 9,000 kilometers I don't even notice it anymore. Feels great now.
All my prior bikes were carb. models also ... I don't know if the throttle is less snatchy after 30K miles or if I am the one that is now broken in, but I don't really have much issue with it now, although when it was new it did annoy me quite a lot.................
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Old 01-02-2013, 02:31 AM   #446
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This 2013 f800gs is my first. But coming from a carbureted bike I defiantly found the throttle snatchy. As a matter a fact I was beginning to wonder if I'd ever get used to it but after 9,000 kilometers I don't even notice it anymore. Feels great now.
I feel the same thing here. After buying it I was 300€ away of buying that power controler thingy. Now after 6 month and 15.000km I'm "broken in" and not noticing it anymore. But who knows, after having bought all the "important farkles" and discovering some new money in my bank account, maybe I'll buy that piece of geeky technology
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I feel the same thing here. After buying it I was 300€ away of buying that power controler thingy. Now after 6 month and 15.000km I'm "broken in" and not noticing it anymore. But who knows, after having bought all the "important farkles" and discovering some new money in my bank account, maybe I'll buy that piece of geeky technology
Wow that's a great thing. Can't say I have ever discovered new money in my account.
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Wow that's a great thing. Can't say I have ever discovered new money in my account.
let me guess, you are married?
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Old 01-02-2013, 04:25 PM   #449
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It is rumored that the 2013 models have less snatchy throttle?

Has anybody noticed better throttle behavior on the 2013 bikes compared to earlier models?

And if so ... do we know if the new firmware can be flashed to older model bikes?

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I have a 2012 Trophy and before I ordered it I test rode a 2012 Triple Black—neither had a snatchy throttle that I've noticed, despite being such a torquey bike... previously I had a 2008 Honda Hornet which is an unfaired and slightly detuned version of the CBR600RR—a great bike but impossible to ride smoothly at low speeds... I'm thinking coming from this, the BMW felt much smoother, whereas maybe someone coming from a carburetted bike will perceive the BMW as much more responsive, and therefore snatchy? Either that or BMW made mods to the throttle/fuelling through the years...

I understand the 2013s have a different spec XFE to accommodate the optional ESA and ASC functionality so it's doubtful older models can be flashed.
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On another note—has anyone noticed that the NA 2013s have longer front indicators than the EU versions? Any idea why? The pre-facelift F800GS appeared to use the same indicators worldwide...

2013 NA (Leslie—hope you don’t mind me nabbing part of one of your pics!)


2013 EU—the was the best pic I could find, even at this angle it's obvious how much shorter the indicator stalks are
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