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Old 10-07-2012, 02:42 PM   #526
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Old 10-07-2012, 09:11 PM   #527
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Those route details are definitely a strategy changer... maybe Orange will fit EFI as well this year?

From the map though, stages 1 through 6 look coastal:



Despite the determination to show restraint, Castera and his group still managed to break two records during this fifteen or so reconnaissance trips: “ [...] "Then we also climbed to 4970 metres in altitude. I can't say where but the Dakar has never gone this high before.” For a detailed explanation, we will have to wait until 21 November.

The two Andes crossings are the stage from Calama to Salta (on the 11th) and Fiambala to Copiapo (on the 17th), so I don' think they will start the day at sea level (or even if they will be Specials or Liaisons)
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You are right, they did say "the first 7 stages", I was thinking it was only the stages in Peru! They musta been talking about stage 7. Yet in Peru most of the coast is in places only a few kms wide, then the the Andes begin abruptly. From Lima you can drive east, and 66 miles (as the crow flies) later you are at the 15,800 ft pass!

I'll have to go back and look at last years stages and see if there was any huge change in altitude in that one.
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Old 10-08-2012, 06:05 AM   #528
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I'd love to see some high altitude stages. Not just transits up and over the passes but race stages up high. It would add a new x factor into building bikes and machines along with rider gear, rider training, etc

Maybe a special across a high altitude salt flat combined with some tracks.

SA has it to offer, seems a shame not to use it.
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Old 10-08-2012, 02:00 PM   #529
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I'd love to see some high altitude stages. Not just transits up and over the passes but race stages up high. It would add a new x factor into building bikes and machines along with rider gear, rider training, etc

Maybe a special across a high altitude salt flat combined with some tracks.

SA has it to offer, seems a shame not to use it.
I agree with Deadly! It would change the strategy and be even more of a test of man and machine!

...How do you train for lack of sufficient O2 to the brain?! Or bike for that matter!

Caminos del Inca, a Peruvian 8 day car rally finishes today in Lima and is almost all at 10,000+ above sea level! And it has been going on longer than the Dakar!
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Old 10-08-2012, 02:07 PM   #530
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I agree with Deadly! It would change the strategy and be even more of a test of man and machine!

...How do you train for lack of sufficient O2 to the brain?! Or bike for that matter!

Caminos del Inca, a Peruvian 8 day car rally finishes today in Lima and is almost all at 10,000+ above sea level! And it has been going on longer than the Dakar!
I think it could end up being very dangerous for the riders. AMS is nothing to muck with.
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Old 10-08-2012, 02:09 PM   #531
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I think it could end up being very dangerous for the riders. AMS is nothing to muck with.
it's the Dakar...ze takes ze own risks...
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Old 10-08-2012, 02:12 PM   #532
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it's the Dakar...ze takes ze own risks...
Indeed, but if the rally starts at sea level it will be very hard to acclimate to the point where you could safely work hard up there. With out risking AMS. I'd rather not see riders injuring themselves (either from AMS, or from accidents because of AMS related symptoms). Not saying it's not doable but I think the rally would need to work it's way up in elevation over the course of a few days and maybe have the bivouacs higher in elevation.
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Old 10-08-2012, 02:14 PM   #533
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On a side note... Did you get a new printing of books in? I wanna wind myself up for this year

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maybe to get more air into the bike at altitude Honda will have a hose that comes from the tires into the intake for when they "deflate" them.... Seems to have worked before....
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Old 10-08-2012, 08:29 PM   #535
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...How do you train for lack of sufficient O2 to the brain?! Or bike for that matter!
you do what every other athlete who must perform at altitude does. you train at altitude, heck we aren't even that high and people come here to train so as to have an edge when they go somewhere else.
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Old 10-08-2012, 08:43 PM   #536
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Indeed, but if the rally starts at sea level it will be very hard to acclimate to the point where you could safely work hard up there. With out risking AMS. I'd rather not see riders injuring themselves (either from AMS, or from accidents because of AMS related symptoms). Not saying it's not doable but I think the rally would need to work it's way up in elevation over the course of a few days and maybe have the bivouacs higher in elevation.
There is alway Diamox (Acetazolamide) to combat AMS, but not sure what the drugs policy on the Dakar is?
I suspect that it is mandatory to be able to take part

Altitude training will only be available to a few and simulated altitude training to a few more, but hey, it is the Dakar, the toughest Motorsport race on the planet - has it just got tougher?
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Has anyone looked at how the kick starter sits in the tank recess ?

I feel after a few thousand kms the lever could wear a hole in the alloy tank.

Perhaps these tanks are mock ups and the real thing is going to have plastic moulded tanks.

Has there been any real live sightings in the wild for the race this weekend ?

Has KTM responded yet to the HRC effort?
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Has KTM responded yet to the HRC effort?
Does KTM even need to respond? It's got the best rally riders in the world on a very tested bike.

That's like asking if honda needs to respond to KTM showing up at baja...

There's allot more to the race than having a bike.
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Old 10-08-2012, 11:28 PM   #539
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Has anyone looked at how the kick starter sits in the tank recess ?

I feel after a few thousand kms the lever could wear a hole in the alloy tank.

Perhaps these tanks are mock ups and the real thing is going to have plastic moulded tanks.

Has there been any real live sightings in the wild for the race this weekend ?

Has KTM responded yet to the HRC effort?
Ktm got in there time machine and made the 450rr and released it two years ago
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Does KTM even need to respond? It's got the best rally riders in the world on a very tested bike.

That's like asking if honda needs to respond to KTM showing up at baja...

There's allot more to the race than having a bike.
It was just a question to see if KTM has made any press release etc. Nothing more or less.

Honda came very close to losing the b1000 in 2009.

It's not just rider. It's backup.
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