URAL 1947 ?? for restoration

[caromalta]

the welding is too rougfh to be 80's or am I wrong in assuming this?

Originally Posted by ReCycled

Oppozit has narrowed this down pretty well.

Even if the headstock plate has been replaced, several clues point towards an early(as in the 80's) MT series Dnepr with older tank, lights, and handlebars attached.

[MotoJ]

Originally Posted by caromalta

the welding is too rougfh to be 80's or am I wrong in assuming this?

I don't think the welding has improved much over the years!

I think your bike is almost entirely KMZ/Dnepr, apart from wheels and levers. Lots of folks think they were better engineered and manufactured than the Urals.

Here's a couple sites that might help you identify the parts on your bike. It looks like an assembly of whatever the previous owners had available as things broke or wore out, which really makes it very authentic in a way, if you think about life behind the Curtain years ago. It's a cool bike. I'd just get it running reliably and enjoy it. Post pics!

http://www.cossackmotorcycles.com/

http://www.goodkarmaproductions.com/...ifference.html

[matman1972]

Originally Posted by caromalta

the welding is too rougfh to be 80's or am I wrong in assuming this?

Lol. I have a 2000 ural, and the welds are rougher than any classic I have owned.

[caromalta]

so if it is the case were lots of different parts were assembled together form different ages, what year would you say the bike is ? I need this for registration purposes especially as I have no papers whatsoever....
and under all the paint coat it has (it was painted allover recently because it took part in some movie that was shot in Malta) is it the norm that I should find some kind of number on some part of the frame? will this be a good indication to register it as that year? where would this possibly be?

Originally Posted by MotoJ

I don't think the welding has improved much over the years!

I think your bike is almost entirely KMZ/Dnepr, apart from wheels and levers. Lots of folks think they were better engineered and manufactured than the Urals.

Here's a couple sites that might help you identify the parts on your bike. It looks like an assembly of whatever the previous owners had available as things broke or wore out, which really makes it very authentic in a way, if you think about life behind the Curtain years ago. It's a cool bike. I'd just get it running reliably and enjoy it. Post pics!

http://www.cossackmotorcycles.com/

http://www.goodkarmaproductions.com/...ifference.html

[MotoJ]

Originally Posted by caromalta

so if it is the case were lots of different parts were assembled together form different ages, what year would you say the bike is ? I need this for registration purposes especially as I have no papers whatsoever....
and under all the paint coat it has (it was painted allover recently because it took part in some movie that was shot in Malta) is it the norm that I should find some kind of number on some part of the frame? will this be a good indication to register it as that year? where would this possibly be?

I have an old IMZ M72. It's similar in a few ways, but the IMZ did things differently than the KMZ. My bike has numbers stamped or cast into nearly every part, but they are part numbers rather than serial numbers. It does however have the date of manufacture of the motor stamped above the left cylinder head, month first: 7 56, meaning July 1956. That dates the motor in my bike at least. I don't think KMZ did that with their motors, but you can check.

I think the only date or serial type number on your bike will be stamped in the ID plate on the headstock. That's the information I would use for registration purposes. BTW, you can get blank ID plates and make it anything you want (some people do this for nefarious purposes!). You have so many different pieces there it would be plausible with almost whatever year you chose back to about 1967 for the MV650.

[caromalta]

as a headstock plate...are you refarinf to this ?? as I think this is not an original one since it's screewed and not poprivots....and what does KM3-8155 represent?

Originally Posted by MotoJ

I have an old IMZ M72. It's similar in a few ways, but the IMZ did things differently than the KMZ. My bike has numbers stamped or cast into nearly every part, but they are part numbers rather than serial numbers. It does however have the date of manufacture of the motor stamped above the left cylinder head, month first: 7 56, meaning July 1956. That dates the motor in my bike at least. I don't think KMZ did that with their motors, but you can check.

I think the only date or serial type number on your bike will be stamped in the ID plate on the headstock. That's the information I would use for registration purposes. BTW, you can get blank ID plates and make it anything you want (some people do this for nefarious purposes!). You have so many different pieces there it would be plausible with almost whatever year you chose back to about 1967 for the MV650.

[MotoJ]

Originally Posted by caromalta

as a headstock plate...are you refarinf to this ?? as I think this is not an original one since it's screewed and not poprivots....and what does KM3-8155 represent?

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That photo isn't showing up, but I assume it's that same one posted earlier, blurry? I don't know what 8155 represents. It may be the VIN number, or serial number. Mine begins with an 8, too. Three numerals, then two letters.
KM3 is KMZ, the Dnepr factory.

Is there no date stamped on the plate?

[oppozit]

Originally Posted by caromalta

so if it is the case were lots of different parts were assembled together form different ages, what year would you say the bike is ? I need this for registration purposes especially as I have no papers whatsoever....
and under all the paint coat it has (it was painted allover recently because it took part in some movie that was shot in Malta) is it the norm that I should find some kind of number on some part of the frame? will this be a good indication to register it as that year? where would this possibly be?

If there is a frame number stamped on the frame it is most likely to be on the left hand shock mount casting. It should be the same as the number stamped on the headstock plate or at least part of that number.

Originally Posted by caromalta

as a headstock plate...are you refarinf to this ?? as I think this is not an original one since it's screewed and not poprivots....and what does KM3-8155 represent?

The headstock plates were either screwed or held by blind rivets. KMZ-8.155 is the model number according to the GOSTANDART. KMZ is the manufacturer, 8 is for a heavy motorcycle, 155 being the actual model. It is also known as an MT-11 in KMZ's model system. That model was made between 1985 and about 2010. Generally the bike is dated by the age of the frame. Since it's almost impossible to date KMZ/Dneprs by frame numbers you can date it almost anytime after the swingarm frame was introduced in the late 1950's. Check what requirements there are for different years of manufacture in Malta and date it accordingly. Find out when blinkers were first required, exhaust noise standards, emissions etc and predate them.

[oppozit]

МОДЕЛЬ (MODEL)
КМЗ-8.155 (KMZ-8.155)

ИЗДЕЛИЕ No (SERIAL NO.)

ДВИГАТЕЛЬ (ENGINE)
КМЗ-8.15501 (KMZ-8.15501)

[caromalta]

If it gets registered as CLASSIC, I don't think I should worry about blinkers , exhaust noise standards, emissions
...however I'm not 100%sure....I must ask a bit around...

Originally Posted by oppozit

If there is a frame number stamped on the frame it is most likely to be on the left hand shock mount casting. It should be the same as the number stamped on the headstock plate or at least part of that number.



The headstock plates were either screwed or held by blind rivets. KMZ-8.155 is the model number according to the GOSTANDART. KMZ is the manufacturer, 8 is for a heavy motorcycle, 155 being the actual model. It is also known as an MT-11 in KMZ's model system. That model was made between 1985 and about 2010. Generally the bike is dated by the age of the frame. Since it's almost impossible to date KMZ/Dneprs by frame numbers you can date it almost anytime after the swingarm frame was introduced in the late 1950's. Check what requirements there are for different years of manufacture in Malta and date it accordingly. Find out when blinkers were first required, exhaust noise standards, emissions etc and predate them.

[caromalta]

yes they are the same number

Originally Posted by caromalta

If it gets registered as CLASSIC, I don't think I should worry about blinkers , exhaust noise standards, emissions
...however I'm not 100%sure....I must ask a bit around...

[caromalta]

yes...frame number matches the headstock

Originally Posted by oppozit

KMZ-8.155 is an MT-11 manufactured sometime after 1985. They did not have sidecar wheel drive. Someone has added the 2WD system, and added lots of older parts. Your bike has full-time 2WD without the difflock. Should have a sidecar brake and parking brake set-up, but I can't see them. Does the frame number match the headstock plate number?