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Old 04-29-2013, 06:08 PM   #766
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I agree that the motorcyclist had no skill and probably should not be on the road, but neither should the bicyclists. They are unprotected and slow. I don't mind that they are in the roads generally, but they should have the same rights as a jaywalking pedestrian. If they get hit, it's their fault.

I was riding up US276 above Greenville SC last fall. Switchback city, 2000 ft climb over just a few miles. The grape smugglers LOOOVE riding up there on saturday mornings to prove how hard core they are. Problem is the higher they get, the more tired they are, and they start to wobble on the road. There is nothing worse than coming around a blind corner and finding a fucking bicycle in your god damned apex. Pucker moment. I also passed a truck on a double yellow (yes, I know it's not legal) on a long straight stretch. SV650 passing a F250 with a trailer, no sweat right? Unless the truck decided to merge into you to avoid a bicycle. I dodged...that time.

Fuck 'em and keep 'em the hell of the roads, it's dangerous enough out there without being a goddamned obstacle course.
I hope you are not being serious (but fear that you are.) Cyclists might be annoying but they have as much right to be out there enjoying a curvaceous road as you do. If you can't ride in a way that allows you to react appropriately when you come round a corner and find a cyclist in the road, how the hell are you going to manage when it's a broken down car, large piece of junk, etc. Then you admit to passing a vehicle (never mind the double yellow) without being able to see whether he might be making a manouver to avoid something.

This is either a really good troll or you are a clueless, unskilled idiot and you should strongly reconsider whether motorcycling is for you.
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Old 04-29-2013, 06:11 PM   #767
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Another ignorant Moran. Seems to be an inordinate amount this year.
Oh... the irony!
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Old 04-29-2013, 06:44 PM   #768
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276 through the Pisgah National Forest is probably the slowest tightest road I've ever seen. I didn't care that much for it.
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Old 04-29-2013, 06:58 PM   #769
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I hope you are not being serious (but fear that you are.) Cyclists might be annoying but they have as much right to be out there enjoying a curvaceous road as you do. If you can't ride in a way that allows you to react appropriately when you come round a corner and find a cyclist in the road, how the hell are you going to manage when it's a broken down car, large piece of junk, etc. Then you admit to passing a vehicle (never mind the double yellow) without being able to see whether he might be making a manouver to avoid something.

This is either a really good troll or you are a clueless, unskilled idiot and you should strongly reconsider whether motorcycling is for you.
Ah yes, the ADV nuclear response..."I disagree with your philosophy of riding and safety, so you should hang up the keys and get a Segway instead."

I can and have dodged junk and cars that try to kill me. My ill-advised passing maneuver aside, i have had bicycles wander into my part of road twice in the last year, placing my life and theirs in jeopardy. I'm not talking about riding on the outside line which is unsafe enough. I'm talking about failure to control their machine aggravated by an inherent weakness in the propulsion system, namely, the nut behind the handlebars.
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Old 04-29-2013, 07:01 PM   #770
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I agree that the motorcyclist had no skill and probably should not be on the road, but neither should the bicyclists. They are unprotected and slow. I don't mind that they are in the roads generally, but they should have the same rights as a jaywalking pedestrian. If they get hit, it's their fault.

I was riding up US276 above Greenville SC last fall. Switchback city, 2000 ft climb over just a few miles. The grape smugglers LOOOVE riding up there on saturday mornings to prove how hard core they are. Problem is the higher they get, the more tired they are, and they start to wobble on the road. There is nothing worse than coming around a blind corner and finding a fucking bicycle in your god damned apex. Pucker moment. I also passed a truck on a double yellow (yes, I know it's not legal) on a long straight stretch. SV650 passing a F250 with a trailer, no sweat right? Unless the truck decided to merge into you to avoid a bicycle. I dodged...that time.

Fuck 'em and keep 'em the hell of the roads, it's dangerous enough out there without being a goddamned obstacle course.

Yep....I just checked, and your username is in the dictionary right next to fucking dumbass. GFYS.
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Old 04-29-2013, 07:04 PM   #771
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I agree that the motorcyclist had no skill and probably should not be on the road, but neither should the bicyclists. They are unprotected and slow....
Guy on a motorcycle objects to bicyclists being unprotected!

Heck if all the dead motorcyclists who had cars turn left in front of them hadn't been so foolish as to go out on a highway so unprotected, they wouldn't be dead! They shouldn't have been out there on a road without being inside a car with an airbag.

Dood, it's a PUBLIC road where bicycles are allowed. These bicycles were doing it right, pretty much riding on the white line. If a motorcyclist can't get through a corner due to the space taken up by bicycles in single file in the outer 6 inches of roadway, that person is some combination of too lacking in skills to be on a public road, and too lacking in judgement to be on a public road because they were riding it as if it were a private closed course.

It's a public road. Leave some safety margin for others you are sharing the road with. Cuz it's not just your road, it's theirs too.
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Old 04-29-2013, 07:11 PM   #772
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Have you ever heard of using the throttle to get out of trouble? I have, and i do. Bicycles can't.

If you-re on a bike or in a car for that matter overtaking a bicycle moving 5mph on a hill they might as well be standing still. Like a pedestrian taking up your roadspace. Please tell me how its safe for pedestrians to be standing in the road.
Do you also advocate running over grandma's who might take a bit longer to cross at an intersection?
I agree with you, it is very inconsiderate of them to be old and slow.

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Old 04-29-2013, 07:43 PM   #773
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Guy on a motorcycle objects to bicyclists being unprotected!

Heck if all the dead motorcyclists who had cars turn left in front of them hadn't been so foolish as to go out on a highway so unprotected, they wouldn't be dead! They shouldn't have been out there on a road without being inside a car with an airbag.

Dood, it's a PUBLIC road where bicycles are allowed. These bicycles were doing it right, pretty much riding on the white line. If a motorcyclist can't get through a corner due to the space taken up by bicycles in single file in the outer 6 inches of roadway, that person is some combination of too lacking in skills to be on a public road, and too lacking in judgement to be on a public road because they were riding it as if it were a private closed course.

It's a public road. Leave some safety margin for others you are sharing the road with. Cuz it's not just your road, it's theirs too.
Go back and read my first post again. The motorcyclist in the video was retarded. No question. I wouldnt say the bicyclists were retarded...but they were on, as you correctly pointed out, a public road, where vehicles much larger and faster than they operate.

I overstepped in my original post and and said bikes should be kept off the road, as in legally. There's really no sense in that and i'm man enough to admit it...but seriously. Would you ride a bicycle on the interstate? If not, then why on a twolane where the speed limit is 55?
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Old 04-29-2013, 08:17 PM   #774
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Go back and read my first post again. The motorcyclist in the video was retarded. No question. I wouldnt say the bicyclists were retarded...but they were on, as you correctly pointed out, a public road, where vehicles much larger and faster than they operate.

I overstepped in my original post and and said bikes should be kept off the road, as in legally. There's really no sense in that and i'm man enough to admit it...but seriously. Would you ride a bicycle on the interstate? If not, then why on a twolane where the speed limit is 55?
and if not a 55 speed limit, why not a 35 (the limit on Mulholland, if my research is correct, maybe a Californian can confirm this...). Maybe bicyclists should only ride downhill. Or just on a sidewalk. Then, of course, those pesky pedestrians would be in the way.


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Old 04-29-2013, 09:07 PM   #775
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Have you ever heard of using the throttle to get out of trouble? I have, and i do. Bicycles can't.

If you-re on a bike or in a car for that matter overtaking a bicycle moving 5mph on a hill they might as well be standing still. Like a pedestrian taking up your roadspace. Please tell me how its safe for pedestrians to be standing in the road.

Clear evidence of lack of road use laws.

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Old 04-29-2013, 09:22 PM   #776
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Ah yes, the ADV nuclear response..."I disagree with your philosophy of riding and safety, so you should hang up the keys and get a Segway instead."

I can and have dodged junk and cars that try to kill me. My ill-advised passing maneuver aside, i have had bicycles wander into my part of road twice in the last year, placing my life and theirs in jeopardy. I'm not talking about riding on the outside line which is unsafe enough. I'm talking about failure to control their machine aggravated by an inherent weakness in the propulsion system, namely, the nut behind the handlebars.
As your "philosophy of riding and safety" seems to be that another user group has no right to be sharing the road with you and you blame them for the consequences of your "ill-advised passing maneuver", then yes, I do disagree. Furthermore, I would not recommend a Segway as if you think bicycles are slow and unpredictable, you will certainly find the pedestrians on the sidewalk get in your way far worse. I suggest you pick a mode of transport where everybody is moving at the same speed in the same direction - maybe bus - or you could apply to be a Nascar driver

Seriously though, cyclists are a lot better than dogs or children and no worse than texting drivers or gravel trucks. You simply need to adaptand advance your riding skills to deal with them appropriately when you come across them. Treat them as an additional challenge to enjoy overcoming. Your blood pressure will probably benefit too.
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Old 04-30-2013, 05:55 AM   #777
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and if not a 55 speed limit, why not a 35 (the limit on Mulholland, if my research is correct, maybe a Californian can confirm this...). Maybe bicyclists should only ride downhill. Or just on a sidewalk. Then, of course, those pesky pedestrians would be in the way.


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Pedestrians..... in Cali.......... surely you jest, there's no such thing.
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Old 04-30-2013, 06:47 AM   #780
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Are those skateboards allowed on the road like that??? seems they would pose a hazard to everyone....
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