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Old 10-02-2012, 05:35 PM   #46
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Thanks once again for providing top notch up to date info for Death Valley.

Nothing better than picts.
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Old 10-03-2012, 08:26 AM   #47
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Get a chance, conditions at echo pass ? Also I think there's a canyon roughly parallel to Goler Wash that doesn't go thru, South of Surprise we hadn't seen, supposed to be pretty. Tough up there too?

That's the one I described, South Park, it's hard to find the road right now from Wingate, might be easier to go up Pleasant Canyon and come down South Park on your first trip through there...it's just easier to find the turns that direction. Start in Ballarat to find Pleasant Cyn.



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Anybody know the conditions of Cerro Gordo?

The guy that shot the video of South Pass ran out Lee Flat towards CG and didn't see any problems. Swansea, CG, Lee Flat out to Talc City are reported as normal.

The wash out behind Darwin down to China Garden is thrashed, as is the Old Toll Road on the other side...PSR lost 750 feet of water pipe in the flash flood..repaired already.

No problem da, I'm on another little website that just did scouting trip for their fall trip to the area and I figured I'd share what they're saying.
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Old 10-09-2012, 12:35 AM   #48
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Hey, fancy finding this thread! Thanks for the info, Larryboy!

I was looking for conditions to the springs on north/south pass, as I'll be in the area in a week or two (will probably ask around in Bishop for the final word right before I go). Don't want to do anything fancy, just get my soak on, check out the natives and be on my way. Not super familiar with these road names yet, but I'm hoping at least the main road isn't completely gone? I like to think I'm slightly more capable than a Prius, but if there's deep sand in the washouts I may wait until I have more skill.

I fully admit my n00bness. Should I give it a pass this year? I really want to check it out but I'm a bit chickenshit, especially by myself. Someday I will be a rock crawling badass but that day is not today.
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Old 10-09-2012, 06:35 AM   #49
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Hey, fancy finding this thread! Thanks for the info, Larryboy!

I was looking for conditions to the springs on north/south pass, as I'll be in the area in a week or two (will probably ask around in Bishop for the final word right before I go). Don't want to do anything fancy, just get my soak on, check out the natives and be on my way. Not super familiar with these road names yet, but I'm hoping at least the main road isn't completely gone? I like to think I'm slightly more capable than a Prius, but if there's deep sand in the washouts I may wait until I have more skill.

I fully admit my n00bness. Should I give it a pass this year? I really want to check it out but I'm a bit chickenshit, especially by myself. Someday I will be a rock crawling badass but that day is not today.

Most of the place is eazy just a lot of sand going out to the hot springs
Go just stay on the main roads im sure a few boys like to
escort a nice gal out to the springs have fun
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Old 10-09-2012, 07:36 AM   #50
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Hey, fancy finding this thread! Thanks for the info, Larryboy!

I was looking for conditions to the springs on north/south pass, as I'll be in the area in a week or two (will probably ask around in Bishop for the final word right before I go). Don't want to do anything fancy, just get my soak on, check out the natives and be on my way. Not super familiar with these road names yet, but I'm hoping at least the main road isn't completely gone? I like to think I'm slightly more capable than a Prius, but if there's deep sand in the washouts I may wait until I have more skill.

I fully admit my n00bness. Should I give it a pass this year? I really want to check it out but I'm a bit chickenshit, especially by myself. Someday I will be a rock crawling badass but that day is not today.
A couple of links that might help...
Up to the minute weather: http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick...ld2=-117.76875

An enthusiast site for the springs, in particular find the road reports for north and south pass: http://www.salinepreservation.org/ Use the 'message boards'.

Death Valley is very unforgiving, remote, extremes of heat and cold. If you can handle sand sections and don't breakdown you'll be fine. Solo is not recommended, but I can see you're a determined sort. Saline Valley isn't the worst road to solo since there's usually a car or two per day, unlike some of the rest of the park. It's certainly beautiful and remote, got my first visit last year after hearing about it for years. It's a LONG way out there.

Good luck and let us know how it goes.
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Old 10-09-2012, 08:43 AM   #51
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Most of the place is eazy just a lot of sand going out to the hot springs
Go just stay on the main roads im sure a few boys like to
escort a nice gal out to the springs have fun
Define "a lot of sand"? How deep on the main track? Maybe I should take somebody else along, hahaha.


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A couple of links that might help...
Up to the minute weather: http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick...ld2=-117.76875

An enthusiast site for the springs, in particular find the road reports for north and south pass: http://www.salinepreservation.org/ Use the 'message boards'.

Death Valley is very unforgiving, remote, extremes of heat and cold. If you can handle sand sections and don't breakdown you'll be fine. Solo is not recommended, but I can see you're a determined sort. Saline Valley isn't the worst road to solo since there's usually a car or two per day, unlike some of the rest of the park. It's certainly beautiful and remote, got my first visit last year after hearing about it for years. It's a LONG way out there.

Good luck and let us know how it goes.
Hey, thanks for the links! It seems like a lot of the posts turn into a truck pissing match though!

I grew up in Phoenix and camp in the woods quite a bit, I know to bring more water than I think I'll need. How far is it round trip between gas stations, sticking to the main road? Is the nearest gas in bishop/lone pine? South pass or north pass the most sedate (north pass is shorter but more difficult?) I've seen the warnings about the sharp gravel, I'll make sure I have a patch kit ready to go just in case.

Sorry for all the stupid questions, but I'd rather not be "that person". I have a tendency to bite off more than I can chew at the best of times!
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Old 10-09-2012, 09:16 AM   #52
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Ahh, it looks like the "Grapevine Canyon" washout IS the south pass road. That's what I get for not knowing names...



(From http://forum.salinepreservation.org/...100712-6040807)

Yeah, no thanks. Trying to find current photos of what I'd be facing on the North pass...
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Old 10-09-2012, 09:28 AM   #53
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Define "a lot of sand"? How deep on the main track? Maybe I should take somebody else along, hahaha.


Hey, thanks for the links! It seems like a lot of the posts turn into a truck pissing match though!

I grew up in Phoenix and camp in the woods quite a bit, I know to bring more water than I think I'll need. How far is it round trip between gas stations, sticking to the main road? Is the nearest gas in bishop/lone pine? South pass or north pass the most sedate (north pass is shorter but more difficult?) I've seen the warnings about the sharp gravel, I'll make sure I have a patch kit ready to go just in case.

Sorry for all the stupid questions, but I'd rather not be "that person". I have a tendency to bite off more than I can chew at the best of times!

Yeah, the saline valley forum gets some wild hairs there too.

The sand isn't too bad on the main road, and there's nothing really long and deep. I don't like to see solo as it's too easy to get crossed up, take a tumble, and hurt yourself or the bike and be stuck. You might not see anyone for a day or more out there.

Bring more than a patch kit, bring extra tubes for front and back. I've never gotten a flat offroad but I'm the extreme rare exception.

Yes, gas in Lone Pine/Big Pine. Lizzard Lee is the caretaker at the hot springs. If desperate he can usually help with some fuel. Be willing to donate generously. He also has a welder there and has helped many a stranded stupid motorist that gets in over their head out there. It's not unheard of for them to have to drive miles and miles on a flat 'till there's nothing left, just the rim.

I have only ridden in from the south since we usually stay at Panamint Springs Resort. If you go out South Pass consider staying/stoping there. There's gas, resturant, campground, motel, pretty nice place. Home of the $18 hamburger.

North pass is definitely the easier route although I have not ridden it. It has been graded almost to the hot springs so that's the route that autos take. The 4x4's like South Pass, it's not that tough but slow going for 4 wheels. We run pretty good speeds and that's how these guys get pinch-flats because it's REALLY rocky as well. Another reason to not ride solo - too easy to get bounced off and crash.

I understand there's some more washout damage going out South Pass, I think that's what Larryboy was alluding to in earlier posts. No problem for a dualsport, but can require some technical line picking. Also keep in mind that South Pass is 6800' and North is 7500'. Watch the weather, hence the link, and if the snow level drops you can actually get snowed into the springs since the only choices out are one of the passes. Saline Valley road is 95 miles long. It is one of the most desolate places I have ever been to.
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Old 10-09-2012, 10:42 AM   #54
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Just saw some more pictures from Ranger Brenner, North Pass is fairly normal after summer storms. Steel Pass might be the easiest into the springs right now, heard that a Subaru made it in that way over the weekend.

Oh yeah, North Pass hasn't been graded, don't know where you heard that...it's also signed as closed right now, that's to keep out the inept.
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Old 10-09-2012, 11:23 AM   #55
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Oh yeah, North Pass hasn't been graded, don't know where you heard that...it's also signed as closed right now, that's to keep out the inept.

Sorry, yeah, it's been a couple of years. A grader went through from north to south, to about the springs cutoff. I think that was 2010, maybe even longer ago than that. It made the road passable for cars at the time although there were a lot of sharp rocks right after the grader went thru it and for one poor fellow in a Ford Exploder it popped all four of his tires.

I guess the big storm in August (this year) washed out a lot of the road now and it has become impassable for anything but high clearance 4x4 and even some of those have trouble. Sounds like you have fresh intel on it's condition.

I have not ridden out there since the noob rally end of March this year.
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Old 10-09-2012, 12:48 PM   #56
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Some of the my2wheels guys hit Death Valley last weekend. Some places are in some rough shape:

http://my2wheels.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9304
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Old 10-11-2012, 10:20 AM   #57
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My wife and I are leaving 10/4/12 from Carson City Nv. to do a multi day ride thru western Nv. and Dv. We plan on coming down thru Fishlake Valley and going thru Steele Pass to Saline.Then going out South pass to Panamint Valley, and over Manley to Ridgecrest. Back over Manley, then over Mangle out to Furnace Creek. From there were going over Echo to Armagosa Valley (Beatty Nv.). Don't really have a set plan for getting back to CC from Beatty, but it will involve sand, silt, dust, rocks, dirt, dust. Sounds like it might turn out to be an excellent ADVENTURE, instead of just a lot of dirt roading. We will be on a CRF450X (plated, wifes) and a KTM 690E, mine. We have ridin all of this before, multiple times, first time putting it in a big loop though.
Have you returned from your trip yet? Would like to hear a report on your trip.

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Old 10-14-2012, 05:20 PM   #58
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I just heard that the county is working on fixing Goler Wash, should be n00bable soon. Graded up to the Newman Cabin from what I've heard.
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I just heard that the county is working on fixing Goler Wash, should be n00bable soon. Graded up to the Newman Cabin from what I've heard.
Ohh noooo!!!!!
I gotta go there quick...
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Hey larryboy,

Kalle and I were in Death Valley this week on a vintage bike rally, and did Titus Canyon and Greenwater Valley ... Both in easy shape!

Furnace Creek Wash/Greenwater Valley:


Titus Canyon:


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